Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

You Pinoys certainly consider fame and publicity a huge measurement for greatness don't you?

 

Villa was rated #2 by that Pinoy boxing panel I brought up. Behind Elorde, but just barely.

I can honestly say I have never seen him fight. Got any links to footage?

 

What?? He ****in terrorized everyone at the time..all the greats who wwas willing to fight him..

what has fame got to do with it?..this man was brought half way across the world..why the **** would someone do that at that time?? You know why? because he is money in the bank and hes the best at breaking faces at that weight. You think american prommoters will give him the time of day if this guy was just a mere prospect???

Im only putting it in a context that yes he must be that great for them to cheer him like that even though they considered him a ****** at the time. Even the great Jack Johnson got booeed. Why were americans so fascinated by Villa then? because he was small and hes got a nice tan??? think

 

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some in youtube bro..and this is not just another youtube clip because theres a ton of perspective involve...think of the times...they packed the Polo grounds in NY just to see him not Wilde..

 

He was an old school fighter.

In a linked clip there is also footage of his KO win over Wilde, which shows a bit more of him. He was a beast physically, even more impressive muscle-wise than Khaosai Galaxy I think.

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The majority of your post had to do with his celebrity, which came from his fighting style and tenacity, as the fans will always love. Based on his wins and overall resume, he doesn't quite stack up to Harada, and he died very young.

If you consider Sanchez overrated because of his early death, you can't use it as a bright spot for Villa.

 

So much misinformation in one post, most of which has already been disputed in the thread.

I will take it one by one:

1. The Barrera win is on par with the Jofre win

• Jofre was unbeaten in 50 fights
• Only fighter to defeat Jofre
• Jofre never lost again

2. Your arguement about weight divisions

• Has already been reputed by sweetscientist who pointed out that there weren't as many divisions in boxing as there are today

3. Harada lost to Medel

• You seem to be foregetting that Pac lost to Morales

4. Pac has 3 or 4 big fights left

• You write this like its an assumption he wins these and they help his legacy, when he could lose them and they could hurt his legacy

 

Jofre lost to Harada, not Medel. Small mistake which you'd have seen anyway. Otherwise all true.

 

Your sitting here trying to tell me about Australian and Asian boxing.

Mate Pacman is better end of story you can argue it all you wont.

Yes Harada was older but he got alot of gift decisions fighting in Japan all the time.
Ive read plenty about him and from Asian experts aswell as Aussie boxing experts they believe he got more gift decisions in Japan than Ottke got in Germany.

So if you were to do some reading you would know this. Yes he was talented but he didnt blow guys like Erik Morales,Marco Barrera away like Pacman did.

And the fact the Pacman has fought numorous times for titles out of his own country and won easy.
Harada hardly left Japan at all and thats fact.

If you were to read a bit more about him you would know that Harada's decisions over Jofre twice were both controversial.

I read that the Rose fight was clear cut win for Rose but somehow it ended up being close.

Ive read the Rudkin fight was really close but somehow the Japanese judges had Harada winning by 7 points or more when writers wrote that it was Harada but only just.

 

Fair enough...I didnt come here pushing Pac as number 1..As for Sanchez he was a modern fighter who sometimes brawled and he was good at it but he took nights off..although our selective memories only recalls the war with Gomez(who was never good at 126) and beating Red Lopez.

He was certainly immortalized more than Villa although the accomplishments are somewhat similar..Id say Villa was more impressive just because he was a freakin straweight.

Look I dont know where you got the popularity( My support is based). Im the first pinoy here to say that JMM edged Pac in the 2nd fight based on the last round.

 

My bad, what I actually wanted to comment on was his arguement that Harada lost to Medel and Rose (what he compared to Pac's Morales and Marquez).

 

Also everyone is entitled to there decision and opinion but mine is simple at the end of the day.

I think and so many others will also that Pacman will go down as the best Asian fighter to put the gloves on.

 

You certainly don't seem to wish to with those killer points.

People I have spoken to, who are far more knowledgable and have seen more footage and know more about guys like Harada and the like, have said nothing of the sort, and have had only the best things to say about Harada.

I have done more reading with much better sources than you have obviously. Beating faded versions of great fighters isn't the same as beating prime versions of even better fighters(Jofre anyway).

We discussed this already, and despite this fact, his competition was superb and the victories deserved, you are the only one to say otherwise.

Completely untrue. Only one of them was, and that is mostly considered true by fellow Brazilians, as those I have spoken to have all given both fights to Jofre, and he was basically handling Jofre in the bits I've seen.

Certainly not a prime Harada, though it was supposed to have been a masterclass by Rose.

A win is a win, a Pacquiao fan should believe in that more philosophy pretty strongly.

 

I dont think you get what im trying to say at the end of the day Harada lost clearly in a few of those fights but somehow he got the decisions or it was close because at that perticular time in Boxing as ive said and read Japan was like the Germany of today.

I think most at the time were saying that if Rose is to go and beat Harada he will need to knock him out because i doubt he will get a decision.

Look im not saying Harada was **** by any means but from what ive read Harada was like Ottke at the time. Wouldnt leave Japan got a couple of decisions when the fights could have gone the other way.

Now im not saying Pacman wins over JMM wernt close or losing to Morales wasnt as bad.

Im clearly saying when it is all said and done that Pacman went from Flyweight to probably Lightweight Champ. He fought a great amount of his title fights overseas and not hoome and he knocked out and knocked down some of the best guys we have seen at that weight in along time.

Jofre wins are great for Harada and he was a skilled agressive fun fighter to watch. (from what weve read.
But Pacman is something to savor and i say watch him now because when he retires he will be missed. I feel Pacman is a guy that we will talk about in the same air as we talk about other small fighters like Duran,Ike Williams real tough hard hitting little men.