Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

The decision in the Lionel Rose fight was way closer than it should have been, no question. Rose took that fight by 9 points on my card and I consider it one of the best boxing displays I have ever seen. Whatsmore, it's probably the greatest performance in a fight by an Australian in the last 50 years, together with Fenech's against Azumah Nelson.

But even though the cards were rediculously close, the right man won the decision, hence ROSE WAS NOT ROBBED.

To go off of that and call Harada the Sven Ottke of Japan is an utter disgrace mate. Like I said, Harada has actually been shafted more than he has been on the good end of decisions.

I've seen his fights with Jofre and thought he won both. I've seen his fights with Kingpetch and thought he won both. I've seen his fights with Famechon and he definitely deserved the first one. I've seen his bouts with Caraballo, Rudkin and Medel too and all the decisions are above board and not controversial in the slightest.

And no I have not read Rose's biography, or Harada's biography (i'm sure he has one), and though I'd like to, I definitely wouldn't take the word of fighters or those biased by being close to fighters with any more weight than a grain of salt. Biographies contain wonderful stories, but I prefer to go off what I can see first and foremost. I've done that, having seen plenty of Harada and I'm confident in my opinions about him.

 

Fair enough.
I wonder of Harada's book is in Japanese that might be the reason i cant find it anywhere.

I feel you make very good points i was only making points really about how because of certain Pacaman fans alot of the time by more respected Posters on here they cant stand talking about Pacman or giving him some Props.

I feel that like ive said that Harada and Pacman are very close but the fact that Pacman still has 3 or 4 big fights left him probably gives him the edge to potentially be the best Asian Fighter all time.


You should read Rose's book its good but not the best Aussie Boxing Book i would say Les Darcy's Book is the best ive read very very good story.

 

School them Danger!!!:good

 

greatest...maybe. Most popular unfortunately will go to Doo Koo Kim.

 

3 lineals is hard to argue with. Unless you beat galbomir to win those. :good

Calling Too Sharp as the best based on his P4P ranking is silly. He did not prove it in the ring. Sasakul prove it by beating lineal Arvachakov. Arvachakov defended his title for more than 4 years. And onced was ranked by Ring as P4P elite. Arvachakov-sasakul 1 and it was closer than how it was scored. I could make a case how Sasakul won that fight. Sasakul beat him clearly in second fight.

Sasakul-Johnson - I would not be so confident for Johnson on that one.

Pacman would KO Johnson at Flyweight.

Elorde-Pacman would be a gooder.

 

My dad might still have a few tapes of his fighting. I know he got some muay thai ones, I'll have to check and see if he still has Khaosai's boxing tapes. I'll have to digitize them.

 

With all due respect to Asians all over the world....Its not really a deep list of truely elite Asian fighters.

Now with that out of the way, I think that Pac is being vastly over rated by soo many people here. The kid is good but he isnt an all time great level fighter. Yeah he beat Morelas and MAB but he also lost to Erik and many thinks/thought that he lost both fights to JMM.

Thing is the wins over Erik and MAB have to be taken for what they were good wins over faded greats.

The problems I have with Pacnatics is that want everyone to over look A) his loses
B) his shady win over Hussein in his backyard, and the fact that he was almost knocked out with a jab in that fight.
C) he was getting his a$$ handed to him vs Sanchez
D) he didnt beat JMM either time

 

would you stfu up with this garbage already you dont know how much of a dumbass you look whenever you mention this fight.

Sanchez looked great in the first 2-3 rounds because he was giving everything he got, then he started to crumble because he was depleted and used all the dirty **** in the world to get out of this fight and he clearly lost the last 3 rounds, and your dumbass still claims that without no doubt in your mind he would of won.

 

pac is more athletic though.. his blazing handspeed and accurate punches could trouble harada

 

he once fought in the states... he left japan to face famechon in australia... he is the only japo fighter i know who left japan more than once

 

:huh
Snachez lost a point in the second round a round that was scored 9-9 by all three judges which meant that Sanchez won it. He was deducted a total of two points and was ahead 58-54 even 56-56 and down 55-57 on the third card...What does that mean??? Well lets see on one judges card he won every one of the six rounds he won four of the six on the other card and 3 of six on the third card...Now tell me again how Pac was coming on and won the last three rounds...You fukking morons need to start watching fights before you just start making sh*t up.

 

you brought that same **** up the last time we debated about it, just because 2 dumb ass judges scored it horribly wrong means your scoring is legit, does that mean my scoring is legit if i scored Dele Hoya/tito for Tito, no it doenst. Pac was robbed as clear as day in that fight, say what you want about the Marquez fights because im objective about those fights and can see how Marquez won both but to say Sanchez was whooping Pac's ass just proves you are either blind, dumb or both.

 

Sanchez is simply not on Pac's level. Just compare their resumes. Splitting 6 rounds with Pac does not put him on Pac's level or even close.

 

Blah blah, I guess your next going to tell me that Hussien didnt drop Pac for a nine count with a jab only to have some funny business save his ass in that fight. Sanchez was beatting Pac up within the rules and outside of the rules. Pac was going to lose that fight, he had no answers for Sanchez that night. Sanchez was a dirty fighter and was always getting points taken away and even was DQ'd before, but he still won most of the fight in which he had points taken away. Being dirty wasnt something that he did when he was losing a fight or falling apart, he was plain and simple a dirty fighter.

 

Douglas wasnt on Tysons level or Tarver on Jones level but they still won the fights. What does that mean??? Because a fighter isnt on the same level in terms of talent and or resumes that that excludes them from being able to win a fight:huh