Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

Keep fighting? be specific. Who should he need to fight and beat in order to surpass harada. Or you are saying that he can fight a low level competition to continue winnig and fighting and that is enough to surpass Harada? Common man, be specific.

 

Kwai Chang Caine


Easily.

 

I've given my thoughts on this quite a few times you simple little fool, he would have to unify at LW, in which case his resume would be comparable by that stage, having picked up wins over Guzman/Campbell and JMM/Casamayor(as I don't consider him to have beaten JMM) and he'd have proven his P4P merits by crusing through the weights as he did with success. You guys see this as a very real possibility(I don't), so why is that too much to ask? As it is now, Pacquiao's resume doesn't stack up, and I've done the comparison too many times. Maybe if you paid attention once in a while(must be hard with Pac's nutsack in your face at all times) you'd have seen that.

 

No. Because the landscape changes too much in boxing for me to name names. After the next big fights around his weight class, we can talk.

 

True, but Sasakul was still very highly regarded who beat the former lineal champ Arbachakov. All the champs Pac has beaten in each weight class bar Diaz was considered top, if not top 2 of the bunch. Ledwaba was considered the 2nd best fighter at 122 outside Larios.

The Lineal & Ring champ definitely doesnt prove that their the best fighter in the division, but its as close as the "real champion" they had in the old days. Even the real champion back in the days wasnt necesarily the best fighter either, nor the undisputed champion of today. Just look at Baldomir, the undisputed champ yet he wasnt anywhere near the best at 147lb.

 

Well said....that is the truth. Case by case basis is how I view things. Sasakul was a good fighter, though I think Johnson was a level above him. Arbachakov in his prime was good enough to give Johnson a run.

 

And you're non-biased?

 

I was talking to KG, he is a pretty objective poster. He hasnt claimed Pac to be the greatest asian fighter of all time but he hasnt said he wasnt either and thats fair enough.

Sweet pea is pretty convinced Harada is still well ahead of Pac and state it as though it was fact and those who disagree just simply dont have enough boxing knowledge. He has very good knowledge of the history of the sport but dont think that makes him an authority on ranking ATG's. This is all a matter of opinion and Pac has a strong case, if not the strongest case. If he was retired for 10 years now I have no doubt he would be regarded as the greatest asian fighter of all time.

This is all feeble stuff, im convinced that a few years by the time Pac retires, he would be regarded as top 10 ATG of all time. I really think he could clean out 135lb (with JMM being his toughest obstacle) and beat Ricky Hatton. Some may think that isnt enough but their not taking into account that this is Pac's 5th championship over 7 weight divisions. Pac is a sealed ATG for me and everything he does from now is just icing on the cake.

 

for those who have been saying that in the philippines elorde---> pac, it's not true even before pac's victory against diaz, many consider pac as the greatest in the phil.

At the moment, harada and pacman have a good case to be the best ever in asia, but at the end of hic career, pacman could clearly be greater than harada

 

Basically. To be fair I didn't say Pac has no chance of ever passing him, I simply said that at this state he hasn't done it. I believe if he unifies at LW, beating Guzman/Campbell and JMM/Casa he will have a strong case, with Hatton as icing on the cake. I personally don't think that has a very strong chance of happening, whereas you guys do.

Authority is a strong word, but when noone can come up with a decent case against what I say other than to call me a hater, I think it says something. You stated earlier in a different thread that Pac was top 50 already, and that anyone who says otherwise could be disputed easily. I stated otherwise with a pretty sturdy list. I haven't checked that thread recently, but noone had answered last time.

Why? I have compared resumes, not their merits as fan favorites or anything else really. Based on resumes, Harada holds the clear edge as of now, though Pacquiao still has some career left. And based on skills, I think Harada is pretty clearly the better, more versatile fighter, but opinions are opinions.

That's absurd. Tell me what you think he needs to do to accomplish that.

He's an ATG, I'll agree with that. As of right now he's top 100, not sure where to place him. If he does what you just said, he outranks Harada clearly, but top 10? Nah, top 30 is more like it, maybe a bit higher. Do you consider Pacquiao better than De La Hoya even?

 

I have given you many cases. The people who have rated Pacquiao ahead are simply writers with as biased and flawed opinions as us all. The fact that they have an article to their name doesn't make their opinion any more justifiable. For ****'s sake, Jack Presscott has an article to his name on the ESB main page. Does that mean his opinion is more vaild than any of ours?

 

Sorry but Pacdbest once claimed 2 years ago Pac would beat Hatton. Many thought he was absurd and said should he do the "impossible", he would make top 10 ATG. Now they see Pac at LW and see how its a very strong posibility their quickly changing their mind on that stance.

Name me other fighters who would have soared through 9 weight divisions and beat the Lineal/Ring champ (generally regarded as the best champ in this day of multiple champs) in 5 of them. Had this been done 20 years ago he would have gotten far more credit than he does now. He would be making history, making what once was the impossible, possible. Should he achieve what I think he will, he will be in very little company.

If he were to clear out LW, provided he fights guys like Guzman, Casamayor, Juan Diaz & Hatton, he could potentially have 10 wins over 7 future HOF'ers across the span of 9 weight divisions. Im not saying Diaz, Hatton or Guzman would be HOF but they certainly have a strong chance should they carry on to have a strong career. Guzman will be a 3weight division champ and would probably rule the LW division after Pac's departure.

And yes, right now I do infact rate him higher than ODLH, though its very close.