Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

You have no standing to ever call me biased. I have never shown any bias towards Pacquiao.

As old as you are, you need to learn that just because people don't agree with YOU, doesn't mean they have something against the subject or person you are discussing. I don't like your views 99% of the time. But I have no bias towards Pacquiao.

 

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Im just asking cause kg gave me an incomplete answer. Im not arguing with him anymore even to you. Ok, pac is not yet the greatest asian boxer in your ******ed EYES for now but surely pac will be.

 

If Pacquiao keeps up his winning ways, cleans out the lightweight division of any and every legitimate challenger and then moves up to take on Hatton or another good and legitimate 140 pound fighter and wins convincingly then even I would concede that he would probably be the #1 Asian fighter of all-time, but only in terms of accomplishment.

But as far as who would be the best fighter with all around ability to come out of Asia my vote wouldn`t go to Pacquiao, not by a longshot. Fighters like Jung Koo Chang, Myung Woo Yuh, Fighting Harada, Yoko Gushiken, Yuri Arbachakov, Flash Elorde and Hiroyuki Ebihara among others were all clearly better fighters than Pacquiao in my opinion.

As it stands Pacquiao has already earned the right to be considered one of the best and most accomplished fighters to come out of Asia which is already a great honour as the Far East has produced some truly outstanding fighters. Lets just wait until his career is over and we can have this debate at that time, as for the time being this thread has run its course and there is no use for anyone to repeat themselves for twenty more pages.

 

Packy hands donwn

 

Packy hands down

 

Lets just end this talk because we will never convince the opposite side vice versa. Lets just wait for the pacman to clean lw and beat the hell out of hatton. Im sure after that then the opposing person that thinks pac is not yet the greatest will have a change of heart..

For the haters, i dont know cause even if pac k.o. wlad in 1 he is still behind harada for the greatest asian boxer.

 

with regards to the last post, i think pac beats harada and elorde head to head. offensively, pac is ahead of both fighters. elorde is the more technically sound and has good movement and bounce in the ring but pac beats him on speed and power. harada on the other hand fights like a half-breed between pac and hatton, a swarmer but he lacks power and i think has only 22 KO's on his list. he beats his opponents basically by voluminous punches much like calzaghe although calzaghe has better fundamentals. pac on the other hand throws faster and straighter punches, and he does it in combinations of blinding speed. harada would be KO'd if ever they were to meet H2H

 

What I find mind boggling is:

Why are some people saying Pac will have to unify LW and beat Hatton at JWW in order to surpass his rivals. They expect Pac to jump across the span of 9 weight divisions, beat the man at that division who himself has conquered a fellow HOF'r in Kostya Tsyzu when Pac's rivals hasnt come close to even doing that themselves? It seems the criteria for Pac to be held in high esteem is alot higher than his older rivals.

Harada for example moved up 15lbs, yet Pac is expected to move up 35lb to solidify his claim?

 

Why is everyone who doesn't rank Pac as the greatest Asian fighter ever a hater? I'm actually a fan of Pacquiao but do not consider him better than Harada, which I pointed out in my analysis earlier in this thread. Don't assume we hate Manny just be cause we try to look at things objectively, something many people here can't do.

Manny still needs a few more big wins to surpass Harada in my view.

 

Calzaghe does not have better fundamentals.he doesn't even turn his punches over properly.Harada was a complete fighter, he did everything very well.

Something that not many seem to be mentioning about Pac is that he was a weight-cutter who started his career very early at a ridiculously low weight.

He was a crap Flweight.totally one-dimensional-no skills; totally reiliant on the striaght left, lacking any versatily whatsoever.

He also had no chin at the weight as he was so weightdrained.

Chatchai Sasakul should be ashamed he lost to him in a fight he was winning with ease until he got careless.

Any truly good Flyweight would put Pac right into the ground more often than not.A fight with Harada would be a one-sided massacre.

Manny's accomplishments(as of right now) as a physically mature,very good improved fighter begin at 122 and head through to 130, largely against natural 122lbers and featherweights.All his world class wins other than the Sasakul farce are in this area.

All this crap about him tearing through five divisions etc is nothing but hyperbole.You would think he had been Marvin Hagler in every division he has fought in the way some are talking.

 

Watch more Harada, or Calzaghe, or something before making statements like that.

 

You beat me to it.

The problem with most who are posting in this thread is that they haven't watched the fighters they comment on. This is a real problem on ESB and even more so on other boxing sites. Sweet_scientist earlier in this thread listed the fights he had seen to come to the conclusion he did which was very thoughtful and should me more of the norm here on ESB.

 

i was saying a head to head fight between prime harada and prime pac. i didn't say a prime harada at bantamweight of flyweight against a flyweight pac. if both were to meet prime for prime head to head, pac still blows harada. no way harada hurts pac and no way harada keeps pac in a corner where he unloads all his punch. prime pac stays at the center of the ring and tees off his opponent. and don't say calzaghe doesn't have better fundamentals. his fundamentals are what really carries him at such an elite level aside from his workrate. he adjusts to fights, he can position his body to take hard punches unless he is surprised and he can jab like no other.

 

On a head2head sense, I rate most fighters 60s+ better than before that. Ive seen quite a bit of old times fighting on film, maybe its the style from those days but to me, they just look undeveloped. That is why I base it more on resume (which could be read on) rather than watching their fight collection. I know I would be unimpressed....

 

No.