Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

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  1. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    i suggest both of you guys better watch and compare calzaghes dimensions and harada's slugging ways and tell who has better fundamentals. i've seen harada fight and calzaghe is better in both subtle and explicit skills.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe does have fundamentals, even if it wasnt textbook fundamentals he really does know what hes doing in there.
     
  3. acb

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    Oh, tell me what you have seen of Harada. Give me some explicit analysis of him, the guy he was fighting, etc.

    What do you view as his weakness in the ring?
     
  4. acb

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    Calzaghe is very unconventional. True, in some departments his fundamentals are solid. But just as Mantequilla said, his punch technique is far from fundamental.

    I agree he knows what he is doing, but to say that his fundamentals are greater than Harada is just wrong. What Harada did was textbook.
     
  5. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Hey bud,

    Don`t bother wasting your time man, you know as well as I do that he ain`t seen much on Harada save for those youtube clips posted up. Most if not all of the Pac brigade here haven`t seen any footage of any of the other Asian greats that have come along since the 50s, so there opinions are for the most part baseless, worthless and totally uninformed. Ask them who Jung Koo Chang, Jiro Watanabe or Hiroyuki Ebihara was and you will be hard pressed for an answer, its just not worth the time or effort really.On a sidenote send me your coordinates via pm, as I have your package ready to go and will mail it out as soon as you get back to me.
     
  6. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    .. Voice of reason.

    PM'ing you now.
     
  7. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    i don't have my videos now but what i can recall is rose-harada. rose in nothing but a talented contender and he put on a boxing clinic against a supposed to be skilled slugger. harada looked like hatton, flat-footed and wide open, he was open to counter-punches all night and he couldn't even defend against simple jabs. i know he might be having a bad night considering he's beaten jofre already but that was on account of harada being superior in condition and strength. this time he looks slow, he couldn't catch rose if rose would move to his side and before he could turn, rose has already tagged him on the face. harada depends too much on pinning rose to the corner and staying on his face but if the guy has quick legs, harada looks pitiful.
     
  8. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I find mind boggling is you refuse to take into consideration that there are many more weight classes now and Harada was never able to dehydrate and rehydrate with day before weigh ins. Pac is great. But most of you guys don't look at the whole picture concerning old school fighters.
     
  9. Mantequilla

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    Garbage.

    Rose was one of the best pure-boxers in the history of the Bantamweight division.if he had been a puncher he probably would have reigned for a very long time.He was far superior technically to fighters like Marquez or especially Morales, who managed to outbox Pac.A far more embarrasing loss.

    Harada was slowing down and starting to get inconsistent at that point.He may have been able to beat Rose in a rematch, but moved up to feather instead.

    The only real criticism of Harada is that he had a relatively short prime.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    A good case can be made for Harda. Pacman is up there for sure, along with Jung Koo Chang.

    Asian boxing does not get a lot of press in the Western World. While historians and hard core fans are well aware of the stars, we really do not know that much about the opponents in general and how the records are built. To be an Asian boxing star in the west, the Asian fighter must b e able to beat Western fighters. PacMan, and Harda have done this.

    The other problem Asian has is less known in the west. It is the judging. Japan, Korea, Thailand, and the Philippines are very unfair to visiting fighters from another nation.
     
  11. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Rose was far more than a talented contender... the man was one of the most beautiful boxers I have ever seen and he beat several very good fighters in his day. And how on earth can you call the man a mere contender when he won and defended the title he won from Harada four times against quality opposition?

    As for Harada`s performance that night it can be partly attributed to his having a very difficult time making weight for the fight, in fact he moved up to featherweight immediately after this fight because of the weight issues.

    But the real reason Harada lost that night was simply because Rose put on one of the finest and flawless performances by a fighter I have seen, and believe me I have seen literally thousands of fights.

    But if you are basing your opinion of Harada on this one fight, then it is no wonder you think so poorly of him and his chances against Pacquiao. Why don`t you look at his fights against Pone Kingpetch who he completely and utterly destroyed in their first meeting only to get robbed in the return.

    Or how about his first fight against Johnny Famechon when past his prime he clobbered for the better part of those 15 rounds and even sent him to the canvas three times only to be the victim of THE worst decision I have EVER seen, bar none.

    Harada`s performance against Rose should not be used as a measuring stick to determine how good he was... that would be like me basing my opinion of Pacquiao solely on the Hussein fight, sounds pretty silly right? Watch some more footage of the man before making such statements, you might learn a thing or two even if you don`t change your mind about wether or not you think he was better than Pac or not.
     
  12. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    there may be many more weight classes now but even if you scarp all the new division added in between, pac would still be champ at flyweight, featherweight and lightweight. the absence of 24 hr. weigh-ins during harada's time doesn't necessarily add to the greatness of his resume since his opponents were also drained just like harada.
     
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  14. Raging B(_)LL

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    No.
     
  15. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    while i don't necessarily agree to last post, i don't know where the glorifying of rose is coming from. now suddenly he is the predecessor of the mayweathers and the whitakers of the world. and he is more technically gifted than marquez? he's got fast hands and a good bounce but that doesn't make him better than marquez over-all. and kingpetch is nothing special and so is medel who is always inconsistent with his performance.
     
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