Who is the greatest heavyweight boxer that ever lived,Ali,Joe Louis Or Rocky Marciano

I respect the depths that Wlad has fallen and risen up to become the best heavy today. I've been critical of him and bigged him up for becoming who he is today. Make no mistake about that, but Ali fought men in gorilla suits and many contenders gave him tough fights which shows how good his comp was and how his comp raised their game against him. People criticize Ali's comp without understanding the real point of their opinion. I just don't see that when I see Wlads fights. He gets credit for the wins AND criticism of his comp whil Ali doesn't. Why? This might be a shame but that's how people are.

 

Block the jab counter jab all night long. Ali has no answer for this.

It's not flaws in certain fights its flaws in all fights. Swaying back to avoid the jab is not sound boxing it's simply something you can get away with when you are 6'3" long, and very quick.

 

Ali showed little to no respect to most heavyweights in his prime, from Liston, Frazier, to the time hopping machine Foreman. The only one he ever showed respect was to Marciano, moreso than even Louis. In an interview, he wasn't so sure if he'd beat him, he knew like himself Marciano was one of a kind. Marciano wasn't as pretty, but he always fought from a crouch, like a corkscrew ready to spring into action. Marciano had freakish stamina too, most heavyweights today or even the "modern" elephants would have trouble keeping up with him. Fearless and always in shape.

 

Your reasoning is very flawed. Block the jab and counter jab all night. Ali might be the best jabber in boxing history. You are choosing the Norton fight to pick out Alis flaw. Weak. You need more than that lol. Speed gave Wlad trouble.

 

Wlad doesn't block jabs. He is the jabber like Ali was in his prime lol... Even Davarryll Williams gave Wlad fits with his own jab right hand.

 

Plus Foreman was a relic that fought in the 90's, half the fighter he was in his prime, and STILL became champ in an era that he wasn't supposed to belong. Wtf would happen if a prime Foreman was put in the 90's? That just gives you an idea how great Ali really was. And for Ali to have tremendous respect for Marciano, that says alot. Holmes was butthurt at the whole world cuz Ali got all the attention, Ali was done when Holmes got to him, him dissing Marciano shouldn't come as a surprise when he was mad at the world too.

 

You are kind of missing the point. Norton wasn't a counter jabber either but Futch saw the weakness and exploited it.

Ironically I think it wa Louis who first broke down Ali's weakness to the counter jab and left hook when he broke down how he would have beaten Ali. Futch basically put Louis game plan to work with Norton.

 

Buster Mathis wasn't. he kicked the bucket at 55.

being a superheavy by flubber weight gain simply isn't healthy.

and no ali wasn't a cruiser.

there were no cruisers in his time.

 

And who exactly was Spinks and how many matches he have? :rofl
Who was Rahman and McCall ?
And Schmeling still have 7 loses, atleast Sanders have only 2 loses, not to mention speed and power he have ....
So as much as you want to say that Sanders was nobody, if Sanders fight Schmeling i would go with Sanders every day long ....
And everyone know that Sanders was a dangerous man, and big names simply avoided him.

 

Ali and Louis are 1 and 2, in some order.

Jack Johnson, Jeffries, Marciano, Holmes, and Lennox are next up. To me those are the somewhat clear top 7 HW's ever.

 

why do you think that arranged fakery had anything to do with the real HW title? Leon-muhammed was clearly the "minor" title last effort of a dog way past his day. it shouldn't have happened. Why are you trying to claim it was valid?

I thought you are trying to improve wlads case, so why compare it to the last gasp of a dying dog?

who? they are the 2 prime guys who lennox destroyed in rematches in much the same way that wlad DIDNT destroy shot2shyte corrie who should never had got a title shot even when prime a decade earlier. you are not having a good day with this post.

idiot, schmell was the undisputed ormer HW champion of the world - corrie was shot2shyte retired neverman.
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Please who some respect for the HW title - Schmeling would kill nobody sanders early.
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Only blind hater like you can say such a idiotic things.
Max Schmeling would have absolutely no chance against Sanders.
And idiot Schmeling still have 7 loses and loses to nobodies ....
And as much as you want to cry about it, Ali lose to Spinks, its his problem that he fought that match.
Klitschko was not prime in all of his loses, but still they stand in the record.
And for Lewis, still he lose to Rahman and McCall, no matter he avenge this loses, if we can say avenge the rematch against half-dead McCall ...
Still in Lewis record there is 2 loses by a nobodys ...

 

That's what trainers do...they try to find weaknesses or places where their guy can attack. Ultimately it comes down to the fighters. We can say that pressure or a good jab gives Wlad problems.

 

Beatle, thanks for the Marciano clip....great stuff!

 

lets get this straight -- you are claiming that undisputed world HW champion max shmell would have no chance against neverman failed contender corrie in his retired worse shape ever.....and not only that claim but you also wrote "only blind hater can say such idiotic things" above that sentence?

Is irony yet to be discovered in your part of the world?

plus a loss to Louis. corrie has no loss to lewis. You keep skirting that point, as if you weren't in bad enough waters already.

it is his problem, I don't see anything wrong with that, thanks for writing something decent. but it doesn't help your argument.

hes prime now at 37, an age when everyone else in Hw hisotry isn't prime yes?
how is lwad different from everyone else in HW history? is he from another planet? let me know how his physiology is different to every other human in history.

in the same way that Wlad DIDNT rematch shot to shyte sanders. quite.

prime contenders.