Who is the greatest HW of the last 25 years?

When did you start watching boxing dude??? Last month? Looking names up on boxrec and seeing they had a pretty good record when Mike beat then doesnt make them good fighters....plain and simple.

Biggs???? Then you belittle Briggs who would have mopped the floor with him??? I hate boxrec warriors...

Lets compare...

Tyson:

Ruddock, Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Golota, Berbick, Bruno, Botha...and I will even give you Biggs...

Lewis:

Holyfield, Tyson, Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Klitschko, Rahman, Briggs, Grant, Golota, Mccall, Bruno, Ruddock, Your boy Biggs, Tucker...

YOU WANNA RETRACT THAT LAST POST?!?!?!

Ya see, I am a bigger Tyson fan than I EVER was a Lewis fan....but unlike you, I can see FACTS!!! Tyson's resume is NOT GREAT....Lewis' WAS!!! You cannot compare the two. What made Tyson so great was the fact that he was SO DOMINANT, SO FEARED, SO EXPLOSIVE in beating those fighters....not that he beat GREAT FIGHTERS!!! Please X out boxrec and actually go watch the fighters you are talking about next time (Tyson's opponents)....or at least try to pull that **** with someone who doesnt know what the **** he is talking about.

You are aware that you CAN be a fan of a fighter...and still admit that that fighter had flaws as well right???

atsch

 

I was thinking the same thing...

Ive said it before, I will say it again...boxrec.com is a dangerous thing!!!!

:yep

 

can't believe people are slating tyson , and americans slating him at that . tyson for me all the way and that is coming from a huge lennox lewis fan. don't get the anti tyson thing at all.

 

For the most part it isnt the anit-Tyson anything...at least with me its not. I consider him a top ten ATG HW. But facts are facts, and when assessing greatness, you have to take into account resume, and compared to Lewis, it just doesnt stack up.

Again, its tough to have a legitimate convo about Tyson with some because there are people like this killa_indian guy who feel that if you do not bow down before the greatness of a fighter and see no fault, then you are slighting them....

Tyson was great. Absolutely an ATG at HW...one of the few fighters in history who capture the WORLD's imagination....arguably the most dominant champion ever...but that doesnt mean he was perfect, unbeatable or that he actually beat GREAT fighters.

Its not a slight, or a knock...its just the truth....problem sometimes is when you deal with fanboys, the truth can sometimes go out the window for fanaticism.

 

Tyson and Holyfield beat Holmes, does that make them greater than Holmes? Take the Tyson and Holy wins out of Lewis's resume and what do you have? An easy strategical win over Tua, knocking out a shell shocked, Ruddock, and a dodgy technical win over Klit? Sorry, just have to say Lewis is being overated at this point, and didnt do anything in his career that the other two didnt already do. Holyfield wins this category pretty easily, and Lewis and Tyson are on par for their ups and downs, but cant see a justifiable and clear cut reason for Lewis over Tyson. Lewis's overall career was admirable, but Tyson's early work is meteoric in comparison.

 

One of the things that is truly astonishing about this site, which in most respects is the best on the web, imo, is how ridiculously overrated Lewis is here. Run this poll at most other major sites and it will not be nearly so lopsided. There are simply a lot of delusional Lewis nuthuggers here, and no matter HOW many times you point out the GLARING flaws in his career, they always have an excuse - most of which you've seen in this thread. And, of course, they are the same people who underrate Tyson, and particularly Holyfield.

 

Lewis. Vlad can become an all time great if he can get the other champions to fight him.

Tyson's talent was so wasted, but he could have been awesome for many, many years, but Don King destroyed him. Tyson was still great, much greater than most understand. So exciting.

 

So do you rate Tyson over Lewis in the last 25 years?


We've gone over this a bazillion times.

- 99.999% of the boxing fans/reporters/historians worldwide would rate him in the lower-end of the All-Time top-10.

- YOU YOURSELF, one of the most obvious Lennox-haters here, have said in the past that you have him just outside the top-10.

- The majority of the people on this board rate him in the lower-end of the All-Time top-10, with a couple of fans rating him in the top-5 balanced out by a couple of your fellow haters who rate him just outside the top-10.

So if we all agree on a general rating, with a couple of people rating him only a few places either way, HOW exactly is Lennox "astonishingly" and "ridiculously" overrated????????



You're so transparent. We all know by now that you are a Holy-hugger and are still sore because Lennox beat your boy twice. Yes, twice.

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atsch

First because Tyson and Holyfield beat and OLD Holmes you ask if that makes them better than him?? Who the hell said anything even about that??? My post that you quoted was speaking of Tyson's RESUME against Lewis' RESUME!!! H2H is another issue that I havent even touched upon....but something I also give to Lewis.

Now you say that Tyson's early work was meteoric...YES, agreed, but his longevity was much, much less than that of Lewis. His accomplishments are also less (less title defense, beat less champions or former champions, the fact that Lewis defeated EVERYONE HE EVER FACED!). Greatness is more than just being dominant over lesser competition. Add in that Tyson lost to the two best fighters he ever faced....and it just doesnt stack up.

Then you say take Holy and Tyson off of Lewis' resume and what do you have??? First that makes no sense, because guess what? He DID fight them...and he should have been 3-0 vs them (that first draw with Evander was a joke...and Evander is one of my 5 favorite fighters of all time...and even I was sickened by that result)....but was 2-0-1 anyway. But lets for arguements sake TAKE THEM OFF and compare.

Tyson beat Holmes (who was old), Ruddock, Spinks (who was 2 weight classes above his best weight of LHW), Bruno, Tucker, Botha, Golota, Berbick, etc.

Now Lewis (minus the Tyson and Holyfield wins for some odd reason...but whatever) beat Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Tucker, Ruddock, Golota, Botha, Klitschko, Rahman, Briggs, Mccall, Grant, Bruno, etc.

Even taking out his two best wins (or biggest wins...I rank his wins vs Mercer and Morrison on par or better), HIS RESUME STILL TOPS TYSON'S!!!!

Ya see, this is where this site goes wrong all too much. Its obvious that Lewis' resume is better than Mike's...but because there is too much fanaticism attached to HOW Tyson beat those fighter (rather than WHO those fighters were)...any mention of negativity...even if its warrented and just...toward him and you get fanboys coming out the woodwork attempting to make an arguement that history and fact just DONT BACK UP!

Funny thing is....out of the 4 fighters we are weighing...I liked Lewis THE LEAST!!!! BY A GOOD MARGIN!!! Yet still I have to argue for him because people fail to see what is in front of their eyes.

 

Yes, he beat Moorer. Moorer was winning easy, and ****ed up.

How did Moorer get the title? That's right, by beating Holy.......

Don't forget, Foreman lost to Shannon Briggs not long after. And the less said about the Schultz decision the better.

In a title match?

****, off the top of my head?
Holy himself. Vitlay. I watched the Holy/Foreman fight live, and Big George was very average in that fight. Smart, yes. Tough, yes. But that' about all that kept him it.

You know what. I couldn't remember who George fought before his title shot. And this is who...

Terry Anderson
Kan Lakusta
ADilson Rodrigues
Mike Jameson
Gerry Cooney.


**** me. The most dangerous guy out there? Are you serious?

Yep, he won 1 out 3. And that was mainly because he got a break because of fan man.

I'd back Lewis to win at least 1 out of 3 against Bowe too. The fact Bowe wouldn't fight him tells me Bowe would too.

What does it say?

Tell me. Holy matches up better against Mercer?

Ross Purrity beat Wlad, and Chris Byrd couldn't. Is Ross better than Byrd was? Apparently by your logic, yes.

I define dominant by longer title reign, number of title fights and years as champion.

I can't believe you're hanging on to Foreman.

Let me guess. You'll also say Holy was too old for it to really count as a good win for Lewis, but you're happy to stick Foreman in there???????

Bowe. 1 out of 3. Why are you boasting about losing a trilogy? Because he snuck one of them?

 

Tyson had a short period of total dominance.
Lewis had a long period of dominance (not as devastating as Tysons) with 2 hiccups, both avenged.

I can understand people picking either. (I go for Lewis, but that's my opinion)

I can't understand people choosing Holyfield though. Didn't have a short period of dominance like Tyson. Didn't have long title reigns like Lewis.

Never had a firm, convincing grip on the title. Always some rumours thrown out when he lost. (Hepatitis, hole in the heart etc).

Yes, he beat Tyson. But when you talk about Tyson's greatness, really you're talking about pre-prison, not post prison.

Tyson had fought **** all after prison before facing Holyfield. About 7 or 8 rounds against chumps, or Bruno who looked like he was going into the ring to face the devil he was that terrified.

If you're talking P4P, with Holy's cruiser record. Yes, he's had the best P4P career easy out of all of them. But we're talking heavyweights only.

(I've ruled Holmes out because of the time frame of the thread, not because I don't rate him...)

 

Hmm.... sensible, logical, reasonable. You put forward your opinion and explained why, whilst remaining respectful of other opinions.

What are you doing in this thread?



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One you have no reading comprehension....I said Briggs would mop the floor with Biggs. Then I said I am a bigger Tyson fan than a Lewis fan....yet somehow I am on Lewis' nuts because I dont ignore facts....THEN YOU SAY YOU BROUGHT UP FACTS!?!?!?!?! WHICH ONES???? You stated opinion, then named off a couple of good wins and one decent one of Tyson's....yet ignored EVERY ONE OF LEWIS' WINS!!!!....EVEN TRIED TO SAY "well if you take away Tyson and Holyfield"....WHAT?? TAKE AWAY A WIN???? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

And trust me, I have forgotten more boxing then your biased mind will ever allow you know. The mear fact that you have not addressed ONE arguement that I put forth (all backed by history and fact, rather than your biased opinion) proves this.

I stated that Tyson's resume is not nearly as good as Lewis'...then gave examples and reasons...and you then came back misquoting me (Briggs could beat Tyson???? CAN YOU EVEN READ???) and saying you boxed for 7 years??? So the **** what, I boxed in the ams as well....does that mean I know boxing more than someone who follows the sport intently and actually does his homework? NO! HELL, Paulie Malignaggi thinks that Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better fighter than Sugar Ray Robinson....he is a pro fighter....does that mean he is right???? MY GOD YOUR DUMB!

Then you pretend not to know what boxrec is (when its obvious by the Biggs comment that is where you got your names)....atsch Im starting to wonder if its even worth trying to reason with someone who cant even read correctly.

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I ****IN HATE FANBOYS!!!! Either you suck a fighter off or your a hater. Give me a break.

(even tho I stated NUMEROUS TIMES that I am a bigger Tyson fan than I EVER was a Lewis fan....)

atsch

 

I voted for Holmes without thinking too hard about it....in the last 25 years Lewis is better but Holmes would get my vote if it went back a little further. Tyson would be above Holyfield too but only just.

 

Why are people rating Lewis over Holy ? Most of LL's notable wins came agaisnst guys either Holyfield or Tyson had already beat !