Who is the greatest HW of the last 25 years?

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  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Because Lewis is ridiculously OVERrated on this site, and Holyfield is ridiculously UNDERrated. Alone of the three, Holyfield is the only one to have wins over two of the other four top guys of the era when they were at or near their best. Tyson lost to the only great fighters he faced, and Lewis fought 'em when they were on the downside - and he didn't fight Bowe at all.
     
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  2. sp6r=underrated

    sp6r=underrated Member Full Member

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    Tyson was seven years removed from his peak years when Holyfield beat him. His skill were eroded from his long prison stay, drugs, and no longer training, just as Holyfield's reflexes and stamina were in decline when Lewis got him due to him being in too many wars. Both were still good fighters though and weren't shot by any means.. If your not going to give Lewis credit for his wins over Evander, than you can't count Evan Fields wins over Tyson.
     
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  3. sp6r=underrated

    sp6r=underrated Member Full Member

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    Another poster already gave you props, but I have too as well. Great post
     
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  4. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Head to head Lewis starched your man twice. That's twice Zakman!:lol:
     
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  5. pelican

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    actually, for me, its a toss between lewis and holyfield. but because holy faced better opposition than lewis, i (now) rank him higher than lewis. the case for lewis, imo, was that his championship years have lasted longer than holy. but i couldnt simply ignore the fact that he was counted out twice in a title match. and the first mccall fight was the nastiest of the two.
     
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  6. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    If the two fighters are close in accomplishments then head to head is THE defining difference and that ledger reads 2 for Lewis and 0 for Holyfield.

    Holyhuggers repeatedly point at two losses Lewis suffered whilst conveniently overlooking the fact Holy was beaten twice by Lewis - and never avenged either loss. :deal

    Simple fact is Lewis beat every man he faced. No HW in the last 25 can say that - in fact no HW can state that ever!
     
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  7. pelican

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    foreman beat moorer by waiting for that opening. he said on one interview that he waited patiently and he didnt go crazy unlike during his younger years. it was all in the plan. the win was legit (KO afterall).

    foreman beat moorer 3 years after the holy fight. imo, that justifies his ranking. and oh, they said thing he won wasnt only the blet. it was more than that. it was the linear title.

    one of the most serious threat during that time ('91), if not the most. if not, who was? mccall? lol!

    fact is 92-93 bowe was better than any of the opponents lewis have ever faced in a title match. if you would deny this, then i owuld like to hear your assessment about how lewis conquers would have done against the 92-93 version of bowe in a h2h matchup.



    dominant: facing better oppositions, facing and beating more established fighters, facing and beating figther that was ducked by other established fighters (tyson ducking foreman), facing and beating opponents considered to be serius threats during a particular time. that is dominant imo

    mccall to lewis? a serious threat?
     
    pelican, Jun 19, 2008
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  8. pelican

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    sure. holy vs lewis h2h? PRIME FOR PRIME? holys prime was early 90s. the holy that lewis beat was hardly the holy that beat bowe. that holy couldnt even sustain an offensive assault. his pressure offense wasnt as relentless as before.

    eventhough, oldie holy was still able to hurt PRIME lewis several times and dictated the complex of the fight. some knowledgeable boxing fans even scored the fight for holy. i scored it 7-5 for lewis, however, i woulnt argue if one would put it 7-5, or 6-5-1 for holy
     
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  9. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Ah the old Holy prime excuse.:rofl Exactly when was Holy's prime. It seems to come and go like the seasons.
     
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  10. pelican

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    better than getting taken out by a bum in two rounds and in a title match.:rofl


    early 90s. 90-94
     
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  11. jaois138

    jaois138 Dinamita Full Member

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    1.Holyfield
    2.Lewis
    3.Tyson
    4.Holmes
     
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  12. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    LOL at a keyboard warrior calling a HW contender a bum.

    And Holy prime at 90-94? Been on the slide for the last fourteen years then? :rofl
     
    PIRA, Jun 19, 2008
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  13. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    I'm literally shocked at how few people realize that Evander Holyfield was the greatest Heayvweight of the last 25 years, fighting in multiple fights of the year, winning the LEGITIMATE Heavyweight crown not once, not twice, but three times, and dispatching of ATG level competition.

    Lewis? Yes, he was great. Tyson? Phenomenal, and great for a brief period. Holmes? I'd say he does not fit the criteria (25 years ago was 1983, which was past Holmes better run with the belt, nearing his Spinks-stage).
     
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  14. pelican

    pelican Guest

    so, whats your point?

    (mccall, in the same league of lewis, bowe, tyson or holy?):rofl
     
    pelican, Jun 20, 2008
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  15. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    My point's are you are an idiot calling a fighter a bum trying to pump yourself up and a four year prime according to you get's you to the top of the HW's. :rofl
     
    PIRA, Jun 20, 2008
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