Who is the greatest HW of the last 25 years?

Holmes was almost 40 years old when he got beat by Tyson. I give Tyson credit because even at that age, Holmes still was a very skilled fighter (as shown by his win over Mercer a few years later..)...but was NOWHERE NEAR THE ATG he once was.

Same with Holyfield's win over Holmes. I count them as good wins...seeing as Larry was a good veteren fighter at that point...but I really wouldnt consider it a win over an ATG.

 

Bro, you will be hard pressed to find anyone else on this site that will agree with you on that quote...

First, I didnt say ATG...I said name another GREAT fighter....but since you brought it up lets have a look at each fighters resumes.

Lewis beat Holyfield, Tyson, Mercer, Tua, Rahman, Mccall, Vitali, Morrison, Golota, Ruddock, etc.

Holyfield beat Tyson, Bowe, Ruiz, Moorer, Mercer, Old Holmes, Old Foreman, DeLeon, Qawi, Rahman, Douglas, etc.

Holmes beat Norton, Shavers, Old Ali, Cobb, Mercer, Cooney, L Spinks, etc.

Tyson beat Ruddock, Spinks, Old Holmes, Bruno, Tucker, Golota, etc.

Now please tell me again how Tyson's resume stacks with the others??? This isnt a knock on him, just a fact...

What I have heard??? I have seen EVERY Mike Tyson fight...many times over...including many amatuer fights. And he did decimate most of the fighters he faced...BUT HE NEVER REALLY FACED ANYONE GREAT UNTIL EVANDER.....AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED????

Maybe you should stop being a fanboy and actually READ everything I wrote, maybe you will understand that I actually AGREE with most of what you said (except for his resume being GREAT...its not...sorry). I hate that word (fanboy), but the simple fact that you read something negative (whether its true or not...and backed by fact doesnt matter) and immediately dismiss EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE WRITTEN (Tyson is A TOP TEN ATG HW!!!! ARE YOU READING THIS NOW!!!???? Jesus man...pay attention...) warrents the use of that word.

This is just another case of that BULL**** thought process on this site that either your a blind, biased to a fault fan of a fighter...or your a hater who doesnt know ****. Be serious man, you can be a fan and still see fault. If ya cant, you are a FANATIC...big difference.

I would also add in Holmes wins over Norton and Shavers...but yeah I agree (other than the juiced part I agree that is).

Listen, fact is...when assessing who is THE GREATEST, there is more to it than just who was the most dominant. You have to look at resume (to which Tyson ranks LAST of the four mentioned...that aint a knock...we are TALKING FOUR ATG HWs HERE!!!), accomplishments, H2H ability, skill set, longevity, etc. Its more than just...who looked the best...

THAT was my point.

(I still dont get why people just cant take that their favorite fighters CAN HAVE FAULTS!!!! I love Whitaker, Hopkins and Jones...and I could write post upon post of theirs...and guess what I AM STILL A FAN AND STILL CONSIDER THEM GREAT!!! Why is this foreign concept on this site...)

 

Right on the money.:yep

 

Lennox Lewis certainly.

 

but a couple of things, maybe i misread your post, but i'm pretty sure you questioned tyson's skill level. also, no i'm not going to read everything you ever wrote i responded to your post attacking my agrreement with the guy who emphasized tyson's greatness in terms of his aura and my point that tyson's aura (unlike gatti whom you brought up) was based upon his skill, h2h ability, and his accomplishments. i stand by this as a vaild point. now if you consider tyson a top 10 atg hw, then i'm with you although in terms of accomplishment i think that might be overating tyson (but h2h i believe tysons' got to be top 10 at least). and i never said anywhere that tyson's resume was Great- i said that imo it's not much worse than lewis. lewis beat contenders just like tyson: most the guys lewis beat (including holy in 99 and especially mike in 02 who looked imo absolutely horribel) were not Great prime fighters anymore than some of the guys tyson beat. (altho i do rate lewis' victory over vitaly very highly and arguably better than any individual tyson win). lewis for a myriad of reasons (tyson's poor discipline, his stint in jail) has a better resume because of conisstency but i stand by that lewis didn't beat really anybody more special than mike did. 'greatness' like i said is subjective, and although i voted for mike i got no problem conceding that on some levels the nod ought to go to lewis (and arguably holy). but in my opinion, any way you define greatness it's a close call. and finally, you imply that 'dominance' or the way you beat other quality fighters isn't too relevant. i'll disagree. you can't ignore what tyson did to guys who were legit contenders (to varying degrees) imo because it says a lot about what a fighter was capable of doing.

 

I think everyone would have an argument either way.

I dont think Lewis is as great as people think though.

I believe his matchmaking against certain opponents was ODH esque. In otherwords he waited until *****s in their armour were exposed by other fighters.

Plus i know im in the minority but i had Lewis Holyfield 114-114
Lewis Holyfield 2 115-113 for Holy

 

I see where you're coming from sues, even if we disagree on the rankings. Unfortunately, I've played all my cards for the argument so I can't really come back with anything that wouldn't sound like beating a dead horse at this point .

 

Just my personal opinion ... if Lewis had rematched Vitali then beat his brother before he called it a day ... Lewis's status would have been so much higher IMO.

Had he even rematched Vitali as one last fight ... ok.

But he just held the title hostage in this long saga in which he was inactive for no good reason. Personally, I lost respect for Lewis at that point. While he may have been a great fighter I find it hard to consider him a great HW champion.

 

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Pure hatred or you know absolutely **** all


lewis has 2 loses in the time period both avenged :deal

And beat 2 of the people above him, by 83 holmes is past his best :hi:

Yet you put lewis last :fire:nono

Easy ans to the question Last 25 years Lewis

All time its a toss up between holmes and Lewis for me :thumbsup

 

The 1st fight 114-114 :yep You need to learn to score or get your eyes checked :huh Lewis outlanded holyfield 3 punches to 1 unless you are in the minority and are partialy sighted :blood

They don't launch a fbi investigation for nothing :rofl :rofl

 

lewis all day

 

how can you of scored the first fight a draw, that is so biased to holyfield its unreal, lewis won the first fight by a country mile and the second comfortably, sorry but after that comment if i was you i would leave the forum:deal

 

It is a farce that Tyson is being considered.

The great fighters are determined by: Their resume which is the major determining factor, their H2H ablity which is a lesser consideration.

The rest is basically just gravy. The hype surrounding a fighter does not = ATG status.

It is a fact Tyson has the weakest resume the most loses in or close to his prime and the shortest title regin and prime.

1. Lewis
2. Holmes
3. Holyfeild
4. Tyson