Who is the greatest living boxer?

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  1. mcvey

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    No order.
    Jofre
    Duran
    Hagler
    Whitaker
    Chavez
    Napoles
    Leonard
    Hearns
    Holmes
    Lopez


    Spinks
    Mayweather
    Pacquiao
    Lewis
    Jones Jnr
     
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  2. reznick

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  3. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One can strongly argue that Marvin Hagler never lost.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Willie Monroe flogged him.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Using Duran as a case in point there's no way a guy performs so brilliantly at the one weight for so long if he's struggling all the time to make weight.

    If Toney had the application of a Hagler he never would have needed to fight over 175, perhaps even less. If he wasn't a heavyweight? I'd more call him a lazy slob that unfortunately had the talent and durability to be that slob and still hang ok in the Heavyweight division.

    Paq? Jeez. He was pretty strong at 126 but didn't stay long. Very strong at 130 with a longer stay. Haven't followed him much but i'd hazard a guess he was against it once over 130.

    Unlike Duran he never stayed anywhere long. Duran was a lightweight forever. It was obviously his niche weight.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Yes he did, he gave the 22years old Hagler a drubbing.

    Willie Monroe pummeled a bleeding Marvin Hagler Tuesday night to win a unanimous dcision in a 10-round bout. Monroe, a 160-pound Philadelphian, came out strong against Hagler, a 160-pounder from Brockton, Mass., with left jabs and right hooks. In the 2nd round, Hagler suffered a nose bleed from a short left hook and a straight right hand. In the 5th, Monroe came out with three consecutive uppercuts and Hagler lost his mouthpiece and his nose started to bleed profusely. Hagler tried desperately to battle back and returned with a series of body punches. Monroe picked his opponent apart in the 7th with the jabs and the nose continued to bleed. But in the 8th, Hagler returned with rights and lefts to the body. In the 10th, Monroe took command and put too much pressure on Hagler." - United Press International

    Post-Fight Comments:

    • "From the 2nd round, I couldn't breathe. I learned a lot from Monroe and I'm still young." - Marvin Hagler
    • "I was strong, tall, slick and quick. He couldn't figure me out." - Willie Monroe
    • "Monroe had the best fight of his career. Willie just had one of those nights every fighter dreams about." - J. Russell Peltz
    Marvin stopped him in their 2 other matches.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Ray Arcel said ,when Duran moved to welter,"he can still make lightweight, but he likes to eat".
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Bingo.
     
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  9. Unforgiven

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    True enough. But we're left with the fact that Toney's record at 175 isn't great, his 160 run is his best but he probably outgrew that naturally, and even there included the Tiberi robbery farce, and at 168 he was outclassed by a great fighter. So his lazy slobbishness maybe effected him at his "natural" weights too. His successes at 190 and HW were better than what he did at 175. So HW was as good as place as any for him, assuming 160 was impossible and 168 became a genuine struggle.
    (As an aside, I believe Roy Jones Jr, would have outclassed him at every weight anyway. He may have been aware of that)

    Fair enough.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Agree with almost all of that. Tony's laziness affected him across the board for sure. I'd say at 160 he wasn't lazy as there's a fair chance he had to work hard to make the weight.

    I still can't see him as a Heavyweight vs a light heavy tho. Yes he had a bit of success but we have the steroid doubts and what not. Weird how he probably underperformed at 175 but i still believe with dedication and drive he would have done noticably better there than above.

    Jones i'd agree would have schooled him at any weight prior to his decline. Cruiserweight might be the toughest.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    I must admit Toney's "comeback" years were impressive. To me, more so for the fact that he'd been in a wilderness or series of goin'-nowhere fights, than for the fact he was "above his natural" weight class.
    I mean, in the 6 or 7 years prior to the Jirov & Holyfield fights in 2003, he really seemed like a has-been working his own minor circuit.