Who is the greatest Mexican ...Marquez Barrera or Erik?

Greatness is measured by accomplishments coupled with ability.

Marquez has a win over Derik Gainer, MAB, and has won the WBC super featherweight title, the IBF featherweight title and the WBA featherweight title. He's lost to PAC, Chris John, Freddy Norwood, and got DQed in his first fight. So other then his first lost he's lost to decent comp, fought PAC pretty straight up, been a two division world champion and has a win over an old MAB.

Barrera

Titles: 3x WBO Super Bantamweight champ, WBC featherweight champ, WBC Super Featherweight Champ, and IBF super featherweight champ.


Lost to: Junior Jones twice (never avenged), once to Morales, once to JMM (also never avenged), and twice he has got his ass kicked by PAC.

His notable wins: Beat Kennedy McKinney in a life and death war (think this was the first BAD), took the series win over Morales, beat Hamed pretty convincingly, and beat kevin kelly, paulie ayala, and Johny Tapia.


So basically he's a three division world champion with notable wins from the beginning to late middle periods of his career. His best victories are over Morales and Hamed. With the Hamed victory probably being his best victory because of the way he beat him. Problems being that he lost to Junior Jones twice in his prime, to Morales in his prime and got TKOed by pac in his prime (or at least pretty close to his prime).

EM

Titles: WBC Super Bantam weight champ, WBO super bantamweight champ, 2x WBC featherweight champ, WBC super featherweight champ, and IBF super featherweight champ.

Lost to: Barrera twice, PAC twice, David diaz, and Zahir Raheam.

Has wins over: Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, MAB, Kevin Kelly, Paulie Ayala, Jesus Chavez, and PAC.

Is a three division champion. Lost close decisions to MAB in his prime (or one in his prime and the other close enough to his prime for the purposes of this thread), lost to Raheam and got knocked out twice by pac in his late career. His most impressive win is over Pac.

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So how does it all line up in terms of greatness. Marquez is clearly a capable fighter but in terms of greatness, which is accomplishments coupled with skill he doesn't come close to either MAB or EM.

So the rest of this post will be about comparing MAB to EM.

MAB probably fought the better comp while in his prime but he also had four losses while in his prime, one was by split decision to EM, three were not close and one was by technical knock out. Morales' prime losses were to MAB. Both of his losses were close losses. And he never touched the canvas (officially) in his prime which is saying something given his fighting style. And I feel that his win over PAc at the end of his career was more impressive then MAB's win over Hamed. Barrera I has to be given credit for his two wins over Morales but to me thats not enough to get MAB past the fact that he lost three times convincingly in the prime of his career. So my rankings are Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and a distant third Juan Manuel Marquez.



(For those of you keeping score you'll notice I've change my opinion for my last post)

 

Morales is definitely the worst. Barrera decisively beat him in two of their bouts (second fight is arguable) and Morales was totally outclassed by Raheem and savagely beaten up by Pacquiao. Marquez would outbox Morales. Morales is a brawler with guts but the worst technically of the three.

 

marco

 

Morales had the more exciting style and a great resume,

MAB was the most complete(could Brawl/could box) and had a great resume.

JMM is skillfully superior to both but his resume falls short in comparison.


I'd have a hard time placing these 1, 2, and 3!

 

Agreed, marquez was avoided by many fighters throughout his career. Every one of his losses are debateable.

 

Morales

 

You really are an idiot. I wouldn't expect less from someone with a Vick picture. Erik got to the canvas how? By going to war. Not getting up after putting up a valiant effort isn't going out like a *****. Erik is the man and anyone who says other wise needs to go watch a novela.

 

I thought Raheem embarrased Morales. It exposed his skillset, Morales can go to war but he's not a sound technical boxer.

 

True, but MOrales was clearly on the way down and was coming straight off two back to back wars against MAB and PAC!

 

Raheem broke the Marathon world record in that fight. He finished 27 miles in 36 mins that is ****ing amazing. Erik is two times the fighter that bum Raheem will ever be. Yes he is a ****ing bum. Main reason he can't get a fight nobody cares for him. Oh yeah and Ray Mercer was ****ing garbage.

 

Fact of the matter is Morales was outboxed convincingly by Raheem and outbrawled and beaten at his own game by Barrera multiple times. Morales is a technically inferior fighter to both Barrera and Marquez. If you have a round robin between the three Morales wouldn't win a single bout.

 

To be fair, MOrales does have a victory over MAB and I agree he was '"technically inferior" than MAB and JMM.

I was just arguing that Rahemm/Morales was not a true indication of Morales' skills!

 

Have you watched any of the Barrera fights? Only one that was a win for Barrera was the third fight. The first Morales won and the second was a clear victory for Morales too. Outboxed by Raheem how? He landed one shot an ran. How is that outboxing someone. Raheem is a ****ing bum. Morales is the top dog. You should show more respect.

 

That's a joke. Barrera was robbed in the first fight with Morales. I thought the second fight was close but Barrera would have won convincingly had he not coasted the first five rounds. Once Barrera picked it up he dominated the second half of that fight. I am not disrespecting Morales I'm just arguing that he is the worst of the three fighters. Spitbucket I wasn't trying to disrespect you and I agree that the Raheem fight is not the only fight you can judge Morales on.

 

morales

but actually its a three way tie