Who is the greatest middleweight ever?

ATG
1) Greb
2) Monzon
3) Hagler

P4P
1) Jones
2) Hagler
3) Greb

 

If he weighs inside the WW limit and he's beating a middleweight clearly it counts towards his rating in BOTH divisions.
Since he's inside the limit for BOTH divisions. :good

Regarding "over the limit" fights, it's up to you how strict you want to be. I'd only go to 2 or 3 pounds over, maximum. A limit is a limit, after all.

That's why I say Greb might be overrated as a middleweight. When he's beating 170 or 180 or 190 pound men, that's impressive. But people say "just a middleweight", when often he weighed 164, 166, 168 pounds himself.

Ray Robinson campaigned as a welterweight and as a (small) middleweight simultaneously, for several years, from about 1946 to 1950.

 

**** Harry Greb

he is a myth, like unicorns

he doesn't exist to me as there's no evidence that he ever fought

just a sparring video where he looks like an utter bum

I agree with the theory that he was a myth invented by the racist white media back in the day, so they could have a legendary fighter white fighter who would overshadow the black fighters and be considered GOAT

he was probably protected by the mafia goons, his toughest opponents like Tunney were threatened at gunpoint to take dives or take it easy on the hypejob, all judges and referees were bought, and any footage of his fights was confiscated by thugs who were paid to protect the lie

that's the only explanation as to why there's not a single evidence of his fights when he should have been considered the second coming of Boxing Jesus back in the day.

Greb was the Wilder of his time

 

atsch

Oh yes, the newspaper columns and the boxing historians made up a grand total of 298 bouts, they fixed everything. They had all of his opponents lying to the public about those fights. :rofl

 

atschatschatsch

 

These idiots get worse every day...

 

trip G
sorry fellas

G vs Hagler would be greatest all time fight, ruin each other

 

And the words of praise from the many, many great champions he battled,...they're just a bunch of hallucinating liars I guess...atsch

 

There's a huge swarm of fruit flies in this forum...

 

Raymi