Who is the greatest NON-ATG Fighter in your book?

not only is he the best fighter out of Japan hes arguably the best fighter from Asia(Its between him and Pac),Harada is a certified ATG you just have to look at his resume two wins over arguably the best bantam of all time and one of the best fighters ever in Jofre, beat Caraballo one of colombia's finest fighters,Alan Rudkin one of the most skilled fighters ever come out of the UK,Jose Medel a very tough mexican fighter who on his night could give everyone around that weight hell, A thai great in Pone Kingpetch and wins over two of japanese best in Aoki and specially Ebihara(probably top 3 ever from Japan) he won titles in two weight classes , should have been three but he was robbed in his first try to win the featherweight title against Famechon when the former great Willie Pep who was the ref for that fight gave the win to Famechon(probably favored Famo's style cause he was a slick fighter just like Pep once was) when you take everything into consideration theres no way you cant consider Harada a clear ATG.

 

Going by the list you posted, Jermain Taylor's 2 wins over Hopkins is better than anything in Harada's resume. Does that make Jermain>>> than Harada since Hopkins is above Harada? Or Tarver's win over Jones?

 

Man, you people in the classic seriously rate these fighters highly, huh? The fact that you even have Harada on par with Pac, I mean there's nothing I could really say to that.

 

You can argue whether Hopkins was faded or not, that's your opinion. He was still the reigning champion and undisputed middleweight champion, and p4p number 1 at the time. This was only 4 years removed from his fight with Trinidad, and after that he beat Tarver for the Light Heavyweight title and Wright, who was p4p top 3 at that time. But that's an entirely different conversation. You said that Harada's win over Jofre was better than anything on Sanchez or Gomez's resume.. and I said that Taylor's win over Hopkins was anything better than Harada's resume. You see what I did there? This is why I don't rate anything below Lightweight highly. You have people claiming Harada is on par with Pacquaio..

 

Jermain's wins against Hopkins arent better than the wins Harada has over Jofre, For starters Jofre was a better fighter than Hopkins, Taylor's wins were debatable wins while Harada werent and Hopkins lost before and after he faced Taylor while Jofre never lost to anyone other than Harada in 74 fights, there are some not many better wins than Harada's over Jofre but Taylor's wins over Hopkins arent it not even close.

 

Exactly what makes Jofre better than Hopkins? This the guy who said that Fighting Harada is on par with Manny Pacquaio. You want me to give you another example? Randall's "official" win over Chavez Jr. After more about a 90 win undefeated streak, Randall "officially" beat Chavez. And don't give me this Chavez was washed crap, cause after the Harada fight, Jofre wasn't the same either.

 

I have Pac ahead but its not by much,theres nothing you can say cause you dont even know who and how good the fighters Harada beat were so what is there for you to say? what are you gonna argue about?

 

Randall's win over Chavez Jr?Looks like your brain is reaching breaking point.

But talking about Chavez arent you the guy that said Chavez never beat a great fighter and that his resume isnt anything special so whats special about Randall beating Chavez if Chavez isnt all that great in your view?

 

He was getting along at the time and had clearly slowed down a bit. This is all on film.
What the hell are you talking about? How EXACTLY has he slowed down? A year before the Taylor fight, he arguably had his 2nd biggest win ever in knocking out Oscar De la Hoya.
Which is brilliant, but does not make him prime.
It does.
Four years is a long time for a boxer. Four years ago Floyd Mayweather was shutting out Juan Manuel Marquez, looking dazzling on film, now he's struggling and dropping a few rounds to lesser fighters whilst not looking quite as good.
Floyd wasn't even prime when he fought Marquez, he took a long vacation and fought a guy who was 2 weight classes below him.. the only fight he's slowed down in was the Cotto fight, a fight above his natural weight class. He struggled on that weight before with DLH. And you say I don't know **** about boxing.
Yes, I see what you did there. You failed at it immensely, by the way. Jofre > Hopkins. Jofre > Gomez. I never stated that a single great win defines an all-time great fighter, I was just throwing a tidbit out there to demonstrate just how great Harada is.
Excuses which have already been exposed in my previous comments. atsch
Stop posting please. You have literally no idea what you're talking about and have said so already. You don't rate anything below lightweight highly? :blood Is it because you know **** all about it and don't follow it?

That's the only reason I could envision to be honest.
This guy used a horrible analogy using Floyd, yet states that I don't know what I'm talking about. Ok, buddy.
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I've already looked at Harada's resume. The only person who I can recognize is Jofre, I've already stated that. Pac has wins over 3 ATG's, a couple HOF's, 8 time world champion, and best fighter of his generation, yet you have Harada close to him in achievements. This is why I don't really have anything to say, the post in itself is idiotic. You classic posters are pretty funny.

 

It was stupid because of the opponents he faced. After Marquez he fought Mosley, Ortiz, and Cotto. It's HORRIBLE analogy where he wasn't in his prime to begin with, a better one would of been Pac from the Hatton fight to now.

 

You should follow this advice and learn something about one subject before you embarrass yourself arguing against something after admitting you dont know nothing about what you are arguing against.

I'll follow O's advice and i'm outta here too better waste my time watching some fights than being involved in an argument that wont lead nowhere and that at the end i will feel like i lost some valuable time and dropped some IQ points after it, been there done that , smart enough not to do it again.Take care :hi:

 

I didn't even really read all of that, I'm trying to talk about BOXING over here, not calling anybody names or getting butthurt over posts made on a boxing forum. I'm still having gotten an answer on how Harada can be compared to Pacquaio. How the **** can anyone make up such an absurd claim, it's laughable. Still waiting on that answer.

 

Same post I wrote to that other guy..

I didn't even really read all of that, I'm trying to talk about BOXING over here, not calling anybody names or getting butthurt over posts made on a boxing forum. I'm still having gotten an answer on how Harada can be compared to Pacquaio. How the **** can anyone make up such an absurd claim, it's laughable. Still waiting on that answer.

 

What the **** point were you trying to make then? You said Hopkins slowed down during his fight with Taylor when there's no evidence of that.. a year before the Taylor fight, he had his second biggest win in Oscar De la hoya.. and after that fight is when he was recognized as p4p number 1. You should take your own advice and watch videos on a said boxer.