Who is the higher ATG - Leonard or Duran

Listen , this is not bias , im not a Mayweather fan , but i dont really look too much into what Floyd is doing now , he cemented himself as a great fighter for what he did at 130 imo , a lot of the fighters he beat there were very good at the time and are forgoten now. And he then beat a lot of top fighters afterwards , i consider Castillo and Judah top wins , im not bothered what arguments you make about Judah though

 

Not arguing Duran's greatness, just the concept of him being so easily ahead of Leonard. I also rate him slightly ahead, but not to the point that it's un-arguable.

 

His greatest challenges exist today, at 147lbs.

 

Floyd was fantastic at 130, but his resume and career there are FAR from ATG material(even if his talent was), you should know that. His resume at higher weights is easily better, but not his performance. His resume is overall good, but not on the level of the top tier ATG's, though his talent is arguable. I consider him a top 40 ATG. The top 20 or so is simply too stacked for someone like Floyd IMO.

 

I was refering to the 2nd fight. Anyone who claims that "it doesn't count" is

A. using 6th grade logic (i.e. that touchdown didn't count).
B. full of ****- the way Duran came to the fight doesnt tarnish Rays vitory

 

Just for the record. Duran had a bit more variety about his career than Leonard's. The long lightweight reign, the 22 non-title bouts when he was lightweight champion, and he was probably more effective while steadily declining.

Duran was as good as finished after New Orleans. Don King certainly thought so, as he threw Duran in the gargabe can. 1981 and 1982 were quite possibly the worst years in terms of Duran going through a bad spell. Defeats to Laing and Benitez after New Orleans would have knocked the confidence out of most fighters.


Duran was inconsistent. And that inconsitency was evident after New Orleans. Never the same again. When the lows were low, they were very low, vice versa wth the highs.

 

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Roberto Duran might be the fighter that came back from rock bottom the most times.

 

Yeah, I know. But I thought I'd make a case for Duran being pretty high and IMO higher than Leonard. Leonard's career and Duran's were pretty different in many aspects. Leonard was more consistent after taking time off, while Duran was pretty much active throughout the 80's when past his prime. The only years Duran never fought Duran the 80's, 85 and 87. Thats off the top of my head. Leonard was pretty much a one fight wonder on a couple of ocassions. Duran on the otherhand needed to build momentum with tune-ups before pulling off his big wins.

 

Worse than getting KO'd by Camacho he even back pedaled against Camacho. Duran pulled a no mas two against Pat Lawlor though. He at least avenged that defeat years later.
Duran is amazing he actually split two fights with Castro while Duran was well past 40. He also took the title against Barkley at what 39 was it? Barkley who twice beat the man who destroyed Duran years earlier. And Camacho didn't stop Duran n two fights. 40 plus year old Duran. Camacho couldn't even stop a 50 year old Duran.

 

Hector Camacho beat them both, so he should be the higher ATG. :yep

 

Duran on his 49th birthday avenged his defeat to Pat Lawlor by a 12 round decision. Lawlor went 1-1 against Duran though making him a top 100 ATG

 

Talent does come into it though , and how he looked during certain fights , your right about the top 20 being very stacked , but Mayweather is very very great though

 

Some great challenges are here today for Floyd , but his greatest ? Cotto now , i dont believe to be a bigger challenge than Corrales at that time , it was a good time at 130 that

 

William Joppy knocked out Duran in three rounds, which is something Ray Leonard couldn't do in three fights. That surely must pit Joppy in the Top 50 ATG's. :good