Who is the higher ATG - Leonard or Duran

This is a good question. I believe the answer is Duran at lightweight. I'm pretty sure Bert Sugar had Duran rated above Leonard in his 100 greatest fighters book. For what that's worth.

 

Hearns won titles at six.

Nobody has ever won THE World Championship at more than three weights.

 

look at my sig and the duran bias says it all. duran for me, allthough i'm a bit bias. better longetivity, great h2h fighter, deep resume (few losses out of prime, but it does'nt detract) and division dominance. almost winning a fight against a top 3 middleweight 5 divisions up from your prime weight should give you an idea how good this guy was.

 

Williams at 147 is not only a better, more versatile, skilled fighter than Corrales, but a much tougher matchup given the size, and the fact that Floyd is not as good now as he was at 130. I give Floyd little chance of beating Williams. Cotto is easily better than Corrales. The fact that Corrales is more popular due to his death and his wars with Castillo doesn't make him better or a harder matchup. Corrales was extremely limited.

Your overall knowledge is good, but your analysis of certain fighters is a ways off. Such as the above and you considering someone like Castillo a better win than McGirt.

 

You're right, he did...

Sugar rated Duran at number 8 while Leonard was ranked at number 25 (behind Marcel Cerdan, Jimmy Wilde, Stanley Ketchel, Julio Cesar Chavez, Rocky Marciano, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey).

 

no it wouldn't. john the beast mugabi gave hagler a better fight then duran did. hagler won by UD over duran and the fight wasn't even close.

way too much nuthugging going on with duran who never defended his titles outside of 135:deal

 

IMO Duran but not by much.

 

I wasn't meaning linear and outright, I meant winning legitamtley titles by the three major sanctioning bodies. WBC, WBA, WBC.

 

I know that he was very limited and a totally different fighter to Williams , everything you said was correct , but i wasnt way off because i wasnt saying anything about the style of the fighters , i was simply saying who i think is the better fighter p4p. And imo Williams is overrated , Margarito easily parried so many of his punches which the commentators went wild over. I said that the Williams win might be better than the Corrales win , but only because of the size factor . Corrales was awful technically (apart from the 1 Casamayor win, which i thought his performance was slightly overrated in btw) , but he was a fighter of the highest order and unbeaten when Mayweather beat him.

I was just saying i consider him a better win in a p4p sense than Williams , not making any stylistic comparisons at all , and if i was , i would agree with you i would be way off aswell

 

Which were better wins in your opinion?

UD Leonard or SD De La Hoya
TKO Buchanan or TKO Hernandez
TKO De Jesus or TKO Hatton

 

Bert Sugar also rated Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney over Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes at heavyweight. Highly disputed.

Charles over them all "pound for pound", but strictly at heavyweight he doesn't belong in the same sentence as Holmes.

 

Youve no respect and what sweetpea said is right

 

He's too biased for my liking. I appreciate his enthusiasm and contributions to boxing, but I don't like his lists one bit.

 

See what I mean? Just excuses, after excuses. Had he actually stepped up and won his biggest fights like SRL did, we wouldn't need to make excuses for his career.

Also, saying that Duran is a natural lightweight is pure speculation. The man fought more times over the lightweight limit, even while in the weight class, than he ever fought in it. He weighed in for a fight over 150 pounds 2 years before he ever fought SRL at 147. Duran only went to 135 for special occasions once he grew into his adult form... and that doesn't point towards lightweight being his natural weight class. If 135 was so natural for him, why did he consistantly fight above that weight even during his younger years? Makes no sense. By the time that Duran turned just 24 years old, he only fought at the limit of 135 6 times. Once again... not the sign of a man's natural weight class. Especially considering how many times he fought ABOVE that weight during that time span.. and how quickly he moved up in weight directly afterwards. In the two years and 8 fights leading up to his first fight with SRL, he fought 5 of them in the welterweight limit, and 3 of them ABOVE the welterweight limit. Considering that Duran was still within his 20's and his prime, that certianly doesn't lean towards 135 being natural for him either. Neither does the fact that after his two fights with SRL, he immediately went up to Jr. Middleweight, and never looked back.

 

I agree here aswell that Bert Sugar's methods of ranking atgs by weight division is not that great imo