Who is the LEAST deserving fighter since 1990 to be labeled an ATG by his fans?

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  1. FelixTrinidad

    FelixTrinidad Boxing Addict banned

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    These are the following fighters which have fans calling them 'ATG'S.


    Yet a lot of fans also rage that they are NOT ATGS and just Hall of Famers.

    Who do you think among this list is LEAST deserving of an ATG ranking.
    1-Roy Jones Jr- I say he is HOF, not ATG. His resume consists of beating a green Hopkins and Toney. I give him the Toney win because that was a prime Toney (regardless of weight drain). But for these idiots saying that 'Hopkins' he beat was prime :lol:. That Hopkins Roy beat was no where near the skill levels of the Hopkins of 2000+.


    2-Vitali Klithscko.
    I like Vitaly. I think he is a great HOF Fighter.
    Pros of Vitaly- he is tall.
    Cons:
    Quitter. Ped User. Rager. Complainer. C Rated Politican. Semi Good Brother. HOFer. This describes Vitali.
    ATG does not.


    3- Joe Calzaghe- . He dominated his division and beat a better Hopkins then most people realized. Fighting Roy was a joke, but who cares. Roy wanted it.

    4- James Toney
    I actaully heard people call him an ATG? I don't know if they meant ATG Skill level. But that is pure bull****. HOFer for sure. ATG is not him.


    5-JMM
    Make a case for this guy if you like. I think he is an ATG. But if you can make a case that he's not and is just a HOFer. Do it.

    6-Felix Trinidad.
    Same. Make a case if you think Trinidad is NOT an ATG.

    7- Julio Ceasar Chavez Senior.
    Will like someone to break down this guy's resume for me, it honestly don't look that strong.But maybe I don't know the whole story.

    8-Riddick Bowe.
    I think he's borderline ATG.

    9-Other
    List someone you feel have fans calling him ATG, but is not.
     
  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I would say Bowe out the list, but he was still a hell of a fighter and would be heavyweight champ today if he was in his prime


    edit: wait, did your dumbass say Roy wasn't an atg, but Calzaghe was?
     
  3. JMP

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    Vitali. By FAR.

    A resume that consists of Adamek, Gomez, Sanders, Peter, Briggs, etc. Yet he's an all-time great? Laughable.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :lol:

    I'd say Bowe, then Calzaghe, then Trinidad.
     
  5. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ******ed thread by a ******ed poster.

    ******.
     
  6. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I strongly believe Roy is atg, but don't have a problem with someone who doesn't think so.. But the same person saying Calzaghe is, just makes absolutely no sense to me.
     
  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I've honestly never heard anyone ever call Bowe an ATG.

    Out of that list though, Vitali.
     
  8. FelixTrinidad

    FelixTrinidad Boxing Addict banned

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    Fine, they are both not ATGS. Happy?

    I just read through a thread on ESB the 'Did ROY Jones started losing when he stepped up' thread.

    This poster HeadBanger and this other poster Bailey made much stronger points then everyone else.

    You have to realize, I mostly watch HW Boxing and does not focus on smaller weights. Which means a lot of Royformation that I'm getting comes from this site. ESB. The site you post on.
     
  9. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    both jones and JC are ATG - they were very special, they could do things that no one else could
     
  10. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    You need to stop buying into everything you read here... Look more into Roy's career for yourself... then tell me what you think.
     
  11. FelixTrinidad

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    I did.

    It's still confusing to me. Explain this(if you know).


    Everyone states Roy Jones Jr was weight drained after Ruiz, yet they forgot that Roy won the first Tarver fight. I got it 8-4, after watching it. It was a fair decision against a Prime LHW Elite in Tarver.

    The next fight, which happened several monthes later. Roy got brutally knocked the **** out. He never recovered.

    How is it he was 'weight drained', yet won the first fight, had time to recover, then started getting knocked ice out.

    So the Anti ROy's theories of 'Oh cause he got off the juice' and 'because he finally stepped up in LHW, competition wise' sound a lot more believable then 'he got old'
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    It's possible to be weight drained and still win a fight. He looked like a ghost weighing in in the first bout.
     
  13. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I don't think Roy was weight drained against Tarver in the second fight.. But his legs had slowed, he was rarely throwing combos. He was still a good fighter, but certainly was starting to slip a bit.. Tarver caught him with a great punch, Roy's reflexes started to slow, and should have never tried to throw that lazy left hook against Tarver's fully loaded southpaw punch coming right at him.

    I think that shot, at his age, ruined his chin. He climbed back into the ring way too early to fight Johnson, who I think Roy completely underestimated... Anything from that point on he was completely shot.

    But stepping up in LHW makes no sense.. He beat many fighters on Tarver and Johnson's level.. Harding, Woods, Gonzalez all have wins over either Tarver or Johnson. all of who Roy destroyed when he was near prime.

    Not to mention, that Roy beat a very good version of Hopkins, who would later embarrass Tarver and Johnson(who Jones would "step up" and loose to).. I don't buy into all the Hopkins was a green youngling talk. Sure, he was not peak skill wise, but he was much better physically then than when he would later have to fake low blows to get rest. Roy wasn't peak either, and had a broken hand.:deal

    The stepping up argument has no basis.. It is quite illogical in my opinion.
     
  14. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty shitty thread man
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Riddick Bowe is the obvious answer in this poll.