Who is the LEAST deserving fighter since 1990 to be labeled an ATG by his fans?

FelixTrinidad · Aug 19, 2012

haworths623 said: ↑

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Mind Reader · Aug 19, 2012

I think everyone from that list except Bowe and Vitali are ATG.. some borderline, but all except the two mentioned get my nod. Roy and Chavez Sr are not a question to me, sure ATG fighters.

dangerousity · Aug 19, 2012

In order of least deserving:

Bowe - Beat some good HW's but I dont think enough to make him an ATG. His blatant duck of Lewis hurts him IMO.

Vitali - He did the best he could of what is around his era and actually fought Lewis unlike the guy above.

Trinidad - Except for Vargas, he didnt really beat anyone of note. ODLH really doesn't count as a win. Mayorga and Joppy were ok wins, not ATG level. Whitaker was way way past it. Solid resume though.

Calzaghe - Long reign, decent wins over Lacy, Kessler, Bika. Very good wins over Bhop & Eubank.

Toney IMO is ATG for the simple fact that he reigned all the way from MW to HW, although it was a **** run at HW he still arguably beat Rahman. Also very good wins over McCallum and Nunn. The rest also belongs easy.

Boxing Fanatic · Aug 19, 2012

floyd easily. he only fights for money not legacy

Floyd: "legacy doesnt pay the bills"

hes a cherry picking fool

Royal-T-Bag · Aug 19, 2012

Bowe
Vitali
Calzaghe
Trinidad

Mind Reader · Aug 19, 2012

dangerousity said: ↑

In order of least deserving:

Bowe - Beat some good HW's but I dont think enough to make him an ATG. His blatant duck of Lewis hurts him IMO.

Vitali - He did the best he could of what is around his era and actually fought Lewis unlike the guy above.

Trinidad - Except for Vargas, he didnt really beat anyone of note. ODLH really doesn't count as a win. Mayorga and Joppy were ok wins, not ATG level. Whitaker was way way past it. Solid resume though.

Calzaghe - Long reign, decent wins over Lacy, Kessler, Bika. Very good wins over Bhop & Eubank.

Toney IMO is ATG for the simple fact that he reigned all the way from MW to HW, although it was a **** run at HW he still arguably beat Rahman. Also very good wins over McCallum and Nunn. The rest also belongs easy.
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This is pretty much the way I see it.:yep Though I do count the ODLH win for Trinidad, I think he and Calzaghe are both borderline ATG that I give the nod to.

P5_Boricua · Aug 19, 2012

FelixTrinidad said: ↑

These are the following fighters which have fans calling them 'ATG'S.

Yet a lot of fans also rage that they are NOT ATGS and just Hall of Famers.

Who do you think among this list is LEAST deserving of an ATG ranking.
1-Roy Jones Jr- I say he is HOF, not ATG. His resume consists of beating a green Hopkins and Toney. I give him the Toney win because that was a prime Toney (regardless of weight drain). But for these idiots saying that 'Hopkins' he beat was prime . That Hopkins Roy beat was no where near the skill levels of the Hopkins of 2000+.

2-Vitali Klithscko.
Quitter. Ped User. Rager. Complainer. C Rated Politican. Semi Good Brother. HOFer. This describes Vitali.
ATG does not.

3- Joe Calzaghe- . He dominated his division and beat a better Hopkins then most people realized. Fighting Roy was a joke, but who cares. Roy wanted it.

4- James Toney
I actaully heard people call him an ATG? I don't know if they meant ATG Skill level. But that is pure bull****. HOFer for sure. ATG is not him.

5-JMM
Make a case for this guy if you like. I think he is an ATG. But if you can make a case that he's not and is just a HOFer. Do it.

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7- Julio Ceasar Chavez Senior.
Will like someone to break down this guy's resume for me, it honestly don't look that strong.But maybe I don't know the whole story.

8-Riddick Bowe.
I think he's borderline ATG.

9-Other
List someone you feel have fans calling him ATG, but is not.
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Man it hurts saying this because Im puerto rican and grew up watching titos fights like a religion but I honestly can not label him.... lol who am i Kidding its Felix F*cking Trinidad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :good:good:bbb:bbb

McGrain · Aug 19, 2012

I would say Pavlik. Not in so many words, but he was being compared to Carlos Monzon, picked over Robinson etc.

McGrain · Aug 19, 2012

Out of the list, probably Bowe.

knockout artist · Aug 19, 2012

Mind Reader said: ↑

I don't think Roy was weight drained against Tarver in the second fight.. But his legs had slowed, he was rarely throwing combos. He was still a good fighter, but certainly was starting to slip a bit.. Tarver caught him with a great punch, Roy's reflexes started to slow, and should have never tried to throw that lazy left hook against Tarver's fully loaded southpaw punch coming right at him.

I think that shot, at his age, ruined his chin. He climbed back into the ring way too early to fight Johnson, who I think Roy completely underestimated... Anything from that point on he was completely shot.

But stepping up in LHW makes no sense.. He beat many fighters on Tarver and Johnson's level.. Harding, Woods, Gonzalez all have wins over either Tarver or Johnson. all of who Roy destroyed when he was near prime.

Not to mention, that Roy beat a very good version of Hopkins, who would later embarrass Tarver and Johnson(who Jones would "step up" and loose to).. I don't buy into all the Hopkins was a green youngling talk. Sure, he was not peak skill wise, but he was much better physically then than when he would later have to fake low blows to get rest. Roy wasn't peak either, and had a broken hand.:deal

The stepping up argument has no basis.. It is quite illogical in my opinion.
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Hey MR, don't waste your time with this idiot, he has produced an endless stream of terrible threads since he signed up on here under various usernames 'RATDAT, taylorswift12, the magican boy', he's a clown

Even Jones' biggest detractors wouldn't deny his status as an ATG

KCD · Aug 19, 2012

Riddick Bowe on that list.

Take away Holyfield and all your left with is Gonzalez and Donald and they where two shitty fights.

Bowe has entered mythical unbeatable prime status on ESB along with the likes of Tua.

Mind Reader · Aug 19, 2012

knockout artist said: ↑

Hey MR, don't waste your time with this idiot, he has produced an endless stream of terrible threads since he signed up on here under various usernames 'RATDAT, taylorswift12, the magican boy', he's a clown

Even Jones' biggest detractors wouldn't deny his status as an ATG
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Hows it going knockout artist?

I can pretty much see from his posts that he is not too sure what he is talking about...

Always a pleasure to debate with an informed boxing fan like yourself, wish there were more like you.:good

bernie4366 · Aug 19, 2012

Calzaghe, who never fought anyone of note until they were past retirement age.

JeanPaulValley · Aug 19, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

******ed thread by a ******ed poster.

******.
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Exactly. He looking for an argument.

JeanPaulValley · Aug 19, 2012

Number 1,Toney is an ATG. MW champ,SMW champ,CW champ and he beat Ruiz for WBA HW title.
His defensive skills were tremendous as well as his chin.

Vitali,Wlad,Lewis,Calzaghe are not deserving of ATG tag.

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