Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

Look, he had no defences in his first reign because he popped dirty. He's come back and had about 7 fights. 3 of them were against the same person. The other 3 were against no hopers. The other was a b-level guy. All whilst still claiming lineal! Where's the defences and the unifications? Hasn't happened and won't happen.

Fury has said he won't fight Joshua or Usyk. He's said this. And so far he's right. And even when he apparently can't make a fight with AJ because of AJ, he shuts down Usyk. You know, the guy who holds the majority of the belts in the division. Instead, he fights a man with 12 losses. He will definitely duck Joyce. That fight could have got made way easier than the Del fight, but never. Tyson said that Joe isn't on his radar, so that says it all.

So to summarise: it's a CV which consists of 3 nobodies, 3 fights with the same man, a fight against someone with 12 losses, and a man who doesn't have an elite win. How is that good?

I know you and others love the jack the lad type, but I see Tyson for what he is. A very opportunistic individual who will do anything for easy money. Even steeping to the lowest of lows. So I have no respect for him, never found him entertaining in or out of the ring, and think his reign now is overrated.

 

Rest assured i can see you have total disdain for Fury, you don't need to underline it. You are also absurdly wrong trying to claim i "love the jack the lad type". I feel very little for Fury, Usyk, Wilder or whoever. I wouldn't even know what the hell that type is and i post next to nothing regarding Fury unless he's just fought. Do you post much about him? You seem pretty worked up at the guy. It's just boxing and i enjoy what they do in the ring while not giving much of a crap what they allegedly do outside. I have no personal feelings whatsoever getting in my way rating these guys and all i hope is that the fights get made.

Again, lets see if Fury fights Joshua, Joyce or Usyk next year. Truth be told Joshua doesn't even deserve a fight with him at this point. If he fights one of these three it's fair to say you have no idea whatsoever about him and if he doesn't, well you can wallow in some kudos for some excellent insight.

 

Thanks for confirming that his reign has been a joke. You haven't defended it once.

 

Fury has now took the lead by 5 points

Another great comeback

 

I don't need to, i've given extended reasons as to why i rate him the man. Your attacks on him change nothing that i said.

 

AJ is a big puncher (and the most dangerous puncher Usyk has faced) but I don't think he's as big a puncher as Wlad or Wilder.

 

So you know its been a weak reign.

 

"I was alluding to his pro career and his fights at SHW in the WSB"

It's an arbitrary and biased comparison because Usyk turned pro at 26 after 350 amateur bouts, Fury at 20 after 35. Fury is also an inconsistent and mentally erratic character who would be doing fat camps before fights against heavyweights who came to win. Most of Usyk's 350 amateur bouts are not online so we don't know if he was dropped more than twice by bodyshots or if he was dropped with a headshot.

I never said you said that Hunter hits as hard as AJ, my point was that it's absurd to place them in the same sentence together. You have a very low bar for determining a "puncher" when he's an Usyk opponent. The most dangerous puncher Usyk has fought in a 12 round pro fight is Joshua x2, Gassiev 2nd, Briedis 3rd and 4th is probably Chisora.

 

fury is supreme his record is simply marvelous look at who he has beat and how he has done it and where he has done it usyk is great but he has not beat anybody great yet what i will say is that joe joyce could be the main man we will have to wait and see

 

He's got a greater KO ratio than Wlad, and a hair behind Wilder.

 

Fury didn't lose the belts in the ring because he lost them due to retiring and ducking the Wlad rematch.

That's not an achievement. His lineal title is completely meaningless.

He hasn't held 3 of the belts for 7 years.

You're telling me Fury deserves the title of king because he forfeited the belts 7 years ago and ducked a rematch, where as Usyk won the 3 belts last year and has defended them once where as Fury hasn't defended those 3 belts, he defended one of the belts vs Wilder.

So yeah all in all Usyk winning and defending 3 belts against Joshua is more impressive than Fury winning the belts 7 years ago and not holding them since.

 

We all know that Tyson Fury's 2016 was effectively ended by the tangle with UKAD — [url]who very belatedly surfaced with an 'investigation' of a nandrolone pop that they had deemed unworthy of attention for the prior eighteen months[/url] — so spare me the bull.

Lineal may be meaningless in your little vegan world, but 'the man who beat the man' has more integrity and meaning than any other measure of championship qualification in the big ol' wide world of boxing. It is the time-honored standard, and you are nobody to assail it. Those physical trinkets are just chips to bargain with.

And it's not as if Fury hasn't demolished one of the division's leading lights in historic style in the time since he relieved Klitschko of his status. You speak as if all he did since his return to the divisions is move around with Seferis and Pianetas.

Usyk will get his chance to assume the mantle next year. Good luck to him.

 

It's not about KO ratio, that's just one metric and obviously an imperfect one.

 

It's a perfectly valid metric in this case. And remember, AJ actually TKOd Wlad, something Fury never accomplished (despite all his promises), Wilder never even attempted, and Wlad couldn't accomplish in regards to AJ.

 

Whatever makes you feel better about Fury, seriously. I have no emotional investment in this, none at all.

If Fury fights Joyce, Usyk or Joshua in the future i will be looking you up however.