Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

I’m a weird guy?
“Boxing is not scored on knockdowns” I know that, they are scored on scorecards but yet according to you “what do scorecards have to do with anything?”
Make your mind up which is it.

I’ll give someone at the WBC a call tomorrow, let them know they are to reverse their decision because Safin and Army Jim on the internet said Ortiz won the fight.

 

Lmao! You will have to excuse that guy. He is a bell end of the highest order. A genuine weirdo.

 

Many (idiots, in my view) have said that Klitschko's opponents "sucked", including the guys who destroyed him, so how good can Wlad be?

Based on how much he struggled with 2021 Arreola, who was almost 2 years inactive and hadn't had an impressive win in about 6-7 years since around the times he lost badly to Stiverne, many would say that Ruiz sucks and therefore Joshua sucks. I disagree, I think if you're top 5-10 at something in the world, something very popular in this case, and have beaten other guys around that range and not far outside it, then you are clearly very good at it.

If Wilder makes lighter work of Ruiz than he did of prolific excuse-maker "medically compromised" Stiverne then the only way out will be to claim that Ruiz took a dive, which no doubt is what many will do.

 

I don't count Ortiz from the 2nd Wilder fight as a live opponent for Wilder regardless of his high ranking because he was never winning with that box on the backfoot for 36 minutes strategy. Likewise, neither was a much lighter punching, less tenacious, orthodox Parker winning with his, especially with the judges and referee totally against him.

 

It's pure speculation that Ruiz is a worse fighter now than he was. He's 33 years old (2 years younger than the average top 5 HW) and has great pro experience against Joshua x2, Ortiz, Parker. He got dropped by the widely underestimated Arreola but how many punchers had Ruiz fought prior to Arreola? Joshua but he got dropped by him too. He recently fought Ortiz at 268 lbs, isn't trying to lose as much weight these days and his chin held up well. He struggled but he couldn't stop a litany of journeymen, struggled against Liakhovich, Kevin etc. Far from losing, Wilder should dominate Ruiz as he did Stiverne and Arreola. Hopefully we will find out sooner rather than later.

 

Fury is such a gifted talker he has most people believing he is "the man". Hes convincing, when i read the thread title I automatically thought fury It's so engrained in my brain from furys big gob.

But of course in reality he really isn't. In terms of legitimate opponents he's beaten klitschko and that was nearly 7 years ago now!

Since then he's beaten wilder who hasn't beaten anyone himself.

Meanwhile usyk has beaten several top notch fighters albeit at cruiserweight but his resume isn't filled with cannon fodder there's some really top notch names on that cruiserweight resume. He then steps up to hw and deals with a good gatekeeper before whopping the main man AJ twice. He has most of the belts.

For me usyk is clearly the man.

 

There's no way to quantify it even if true: is Ruiz 99.9% of what he was? 1% of what he was? 63%? 91%? Or has the extra experience made him better overall at 33 than he was at 29? Ruiz has been ducking Ortiz for years and hadn't fought a southpaw since the amateurs, it's not like he was confident of looking good in that matchup but he got the win.

Ruiz has had one great night, aside from that he's frequently gone the distance with journeymen (guys worse than Arreola in many cases) and looked mediocre. Had Wilder banged him out in 2018 no one would have batted an eye, he'd just be another "bum" on Wilder's record.

 

Why didn't Foreman have a glass chin in his 40's, with all the punishment he'd sustained over the years? Constitutions vary enormously.

It's not "scientific" to say that 33 year old Ruiz must have declined because of his eating/training habits. It is however another means of trying to discredit Wilder's win when he KO's Ruiz, despite Wilder having a stronger argument to have physically and mentally declined based on brutal back to back KO defeats and aging to 37.

 

If by "facts" you mean childish assertions without evidence then yes.