Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

Usyk.....because Fury got a 9.5 seconds count in his first fight with Wilder

 

Fury skills!!! Compared with Usyk he has very little skills. He leans on opponents, often comes forward with a leading forearm and then punches over the top. Can slip punches when he can be bothered and yes that is skillful, but relies on size and awkwardness, not that skilled in my opinion. Usyk pulls punches from no where, footwork that a man of that weight really shouldn't have, fast combinations, good head movement and ring craft that will be remembered for a long time to come.

 

Fury. And it'll show when they fight.

 

Until they fight, Fury has to be taken as no 1...

...but, I've always maintained that Fury will look slow as **** against Usyk.

As to whether or not Usyk's speed and movement will be enough to counter the leaning /ragdolling and borderline dirt that Fury will bring when he starts to get really frustrated, well that is the big question.

Back before Usyk had face AJ the first time, I was 100% certain that he would beat AJ, and I was pretty sure (like 80%) he would beat Fury then too.

Since then, I've definitely seen a bit of decline in Usyk, even though he still had enough to raise his game a bit to beat a better Joshua - arguably even wider the 2nd fight, but he failed to stop AJ which I thought he might.

However, the big thing Fury brings is that he is not gunshy, and will take 2 to land one, and will leave it all in there - he showed that in spades against Wilder

That's why it's such an intriguing match up. Right now I still favour Usyk maybe 60/40 as I think that Fury's skills and movement is relative to other big plodders, but the longer it is before the fight takes place, the more Usyk declines, though to be fair, Fury ain't getting any younger either and the Wilder fights must have taken plenty out of his longevity

 

What's the excuse of the great, the one and only, the unique Usyk for fighting a total bag in the face of Chazz, then an average boxer as Chisora and finally Joshua, then pretending of being the greatest heavyweight currently?

Aside from the fan point of view: both have to seriously prove in the heavyweight division. If they don't - both aren't that great and can't tell for sure who's better than the other if they don't face. As for their legacy it's clear Fury has way better one in the category, while Usyk is great in the cruiser.

 

It's clearly Usyk from a legacy point of view but if Fury beats him he's THE MAN MAN MAN.

It all comes down to the final fight of the decade.

 

32 heavyweight wins vs 4. Yes Usyk is probably the cruiserweight GOAT. (yes, over holyfield), but you can't talk about that when discussing his heavyweight career? beats Chazz (expected), beats Chisora (13 loss literal nobody with star power). His real upset was a mentally unstable AJ x2, but I'd say Wilder x3 and Wlad counter that out, along with 30 odd other wins. If Usyk could actually stand up to the Furys, Wilders and Joyces of the world remains to be seen

 

Imagine thinking Usyk is the man because he took a bodybuilder the distance lol

 

P4P is imaginary & means nothing at heavyweight.
heavyweight don't need to be "P4P". it is mere consolation award for small men .

 

Ruiz beat AJ too
worse than Usyk did.

 

PPV, P4P and number of titles held means nothing, never did, never will. The only thing that matters is how many top boxers one defeated. I even think that if there's one belt, it'll be much harder for them to define who's better and motivate them to fight more often against better opponents.

 

Undeniably, Tyson Fury.

He went to two long reigning champions back yards and dethroned the both of them.

Common opponent = Chisora.

Fury stopped Chisora. Usyk went the full 12 and didn't look overly impressive doing so.

HW wins over Wlad, Wilder, Chisora, Whyte, Wallin vs AJ, Chisora and Witherspoon...... no contest there.