Who is "The Man" at Welterweight?

You claimed that Pacquiao isn't a top WW and I'm just trying to understand, that's all.

Who are the top welterweights then? If Mayweather and Pacquaio are not top WW's, who is?

 

It happens all the time actually, especially when there are catchweights, it can be argued that Pac technically isn't in that division.

Roy Jones went to Heavyweight and beat John Ruiz, He was pound for pound at the time, but was not the man at heavyweight, Lennox Lewis was.

 

Never mind. Marquez is a LW/JWW though, so that was not what i meant.

Peace.

 

Top doesn't mean the best. Along with PAC and Floyd there is
at least two or three other good WW including Cotto as well.
PAC beat him and Margo did too but Mosley did not. Floyd fights
more like Mosley and Cotto might have better chance against him.

So there is about 5-6 good WW at this time and Mosley among
them is the only one who deserves to be fully recognized.

 

He's had two fights at WW. He's got a WW title. I'd say Manny is a welterweight.

And Lennox Lewis-Roy Jones is an INSANELY rare case where there IS a better fight at that division. That's a once in a 100000 type deal.

 

WW division is for these whos weight not exceed 147 lb. It doesn't
matter if PAC is not fighting at 147lb exactly, he is definitely fighting
below 147lb and above 140lb .... that makes him fully legitimate WW.

Seriously nobody really forces the other guys to fight at catchweight,
they agree to this VOLUNTARILY.

Jones Jr on the other hand was weighting below 200lb (196 or so)
so thecnically he was not even HW but the rule in HW doesnt state
that you have to weight above 200lb. While the rule for WW doesn't
state you must weight above 140lb it only state that you have to not
exceed 147lb to be LEGITIMATE WW.

 

I am just busting LukeO's balls as his trolling is getting out of hand.

Mosley is a top WW. Pac is a top WW. Mayweather is a top WW.

Margarito? Ummm, no.

Cotto? 2 losses in his last 4 fights, he needs another big win or two.

Clottey? Meh, 2 losses in his last 7, no real huge wins on his card. Borderline.

Cintron? Not really.

Berto? Not yet. Needs 2 or 3 more wins.

Paul Williams? Probably closest to being considered a top WW other than the big 3.

 

I said the fact that Manny made them weigh in at 145 and not 147, negates him as the "man" at welterweight, especially when Mosley beat the man that destroyed Cotto, before Pac ever fought him.

 

Im not saying Pac is too light to be a legit WW... I am saying he asked his opponents to be below the WW limit.

That is a ***** move to me, someone claiming to be the man at WW.

 

If your the MAN at welterweight then you dont need to fight Welter weights at a god damn catch weight. It aint hard to understand.

 

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What do you mean by the man?

If you mean achievements at 147 then it's Shane Mosely. His welterweight wins over Margarito, DLH, Collazo etc are much bigger achievements than PBF's wins over Baldomir and Judah and Pac's win over DLH. This doesn't mean that Mosely beats PBF or Pac, just that his achievements at the weight are better.

If you're talking about who is the p4p best fighter in the world out of all the people fighting at welterweight, it's Pac, based on his overall resume (not at 147). Again, this doesn't mean Pac beats PBF and Mosely in a fight, it's a mythical title but of all the boxers fighting at welter, Pac clearly deserves the p4p title.

If you simply mean who is the best welterweight in the world as in who would kick the other guys asses, again we don't know untill they fight each other, but that's the damn problem.


So it's pretty simple really. I summed it up in 3 paragraphs. No need to argue like women.

 

If you agree that Mosley, Pac, Mayweather are top WW then someone
who is losing to them is not automatically the second category.

Style make fights and the same Cotto who lost to Margo and PAC
have beaten Mosley, Margo beat Cotto but lost to Mosley so if you
exclude Cotto-PAC then the triangle Cotto-Mosley-Margo must be
at he same level. In reality Cotto and Margachetto ended badly while
Mosley is on top now so Mosley is the natural winner among them.
The timing is the key factor here.

Floyd on the other hand is totally irrelevant as WW because
in the last 3 years he did not fougth any legitimate WW,
so if you count Floyd as top WW then the guys as Clottley,
Berto or PW must be included over there as well ...
somewhere at the irrelevant but capable contenders.

As PAC he should be included right after Mosley now since he beat
Cotto scoring legitimate belt, so his relevance to the division is clear.

So my rank is: #1 Mosley, #2 PAc, #3 Floyd, #4 Berto,
then anyone from Margo, Cotto, Clottley, PW ....

 

Why you making up your own questions:rofl

No one said anything about who could beat who, who is p4p the best.

It was a simple question, "Who is the man at welterweight" The answer is shane mosley.

 

So judging by your own theory, Baldomir relevence to the division was also clear right???: