Who is "The Man" at Welterweight?

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mosley

 

Every thread on here is reason why Manny is the man, best in decade, etc. He gets too much credit.

 

Mosely then Mayweather then Pacquiao.

 

floyd should not be included in the choices. did he fought and beat any of top welter for 2 years like cotto, margo and shane?

regarding who's the man,

1. using this basis, it's NONE

cotto beat shane
margo beat cotto
shane beat margo


all the 3 had 1 win in a single-round robin.
den pac beat cotto

2. but if you analyzed it like this way (one who beat the man becomes the man):

cotto was the man when he beat shane.
margo beat cotto (then margo is became the man)
shane beat margo (now shane is the man)
so... shane is the man

3. a debatable way of analysis:

cotto was the man whe he shane
margo beat cotto (since margo's win is doubtful coz of possible loaded wrap, cotto was still the man)
shane beat margo (cotto was still the man)
pac beat cotto @ catch weight 145 (so pac is now arguably the man)

now where is floyd there to merit the nod of being the man?

 

You could make a case for either Mosley or Pacquaio. Both men have beaten two strong Champions at 147 to stake their claim. Both men defeated fighters who have been avoided by Floyd Mayweather and were considered to be very strong at 147.

I voted for Mosley in the poll because he has beaten more natural welterweights and has shown that he is most dominant at the 147lb weightclass.

 

How about williams, "the man" nobody would fight at WW

 

LMAO at the nuthuggers claiming Pacman, do you even know what being 'The Man' means? Its about proving your the number 1 at the weight class and being the real champion. Mayweather became linear champion, the man who beat the last 2 linear champions but then retired. Margarito became no1, then got KO'd by Mosley, so it can be argued Mosley took over Mayweathers. All Pacquaio has done is beat up a drained Margarito leftover for a WBOGUS title

Either way Mayweather-Mosley Winner = The Man

 

Not true. Juan Manuel Marquez was still ahead of pacquiao in the beginning when pac was pound for pound elite and still in the same division techinically

 

Are you referring to the fighter who lost to Quintana at welterweight? When has Pacquaio lost at welter? When is the last time Mosley lost at welterweight? Why didn't Paul Williams stay at 147 and clean out the division? PW had a title and refused to defend it. Can't make a claim for someone like that.

 

What he said.:good

 

Nobody is "the man" at welter. And nobody will be until these top guys actually fight each other and sort things out.

 

nut:rofl

 

SSM is definitely the man!! There's no doubt about it!!:nonoIf Pac & PBF fought at WW w/out ether having defeated SSM, Shane would still be the man!

PBF was(keyword "was") the man at WW before he retired having been the last Lineal Champion & also defeating the last 2 lineal Champions! Although he retired Champ his layoff takes him outta the #1 guy talks athough there can be debate whether anyone in the division can even beat him includng SSM!

Pac on the other hand shouldn't even be considered!!:nono He's fought there once against a washed up weight drained Oscar, and then fought Cotto at a catchweight! Point... he hasn't fought any top WW's at WW!! Now he's fighting Clottey who a very good WW but who's also lost all his big fights there! Even that fight they tried to make at a catchweight & even moreso if Pac wins(which is 50/50 to me) he still hasn' beat anyone at WW of note to stake any sort of claim!! Being P4P #1 doesn't give you claim to #1 in any weightclass you fight in unless you beat the best at that WW(not catchweight)! If Arum wasn't Cotto's promoter & Cotto wasn't a fool Pac wouldn't have a belt because Cotto didn't have to defend it! Thank Arum for that Pac!!

Bottom line is.. no remotely comes close to SSM at having a claim at who's "The Man" at Welterweight!:nono

1-SSM
2-PBF
3-????? for now!!

 

#2 doesn't work. Cotto was never the man. Floyd was still THE MAN (i.e. champion) when Cotto and Mosley fought each other.

There's an argument that when Mosley beat Margo he became the man (if you had Margo as #1 and Mosley as #2), but I don't buy it. PTP was #2 at the time, and really Clottey was ahead of Mosley as well. At the time Mosley beat Margarito, he had lost his last fight at welterweight, and his only decent win at the weight since 2001 was over Luis Collazo.

There's also an argument (that I also don't buy) that Floyd is the man, via the "man who beat the man" analysis. Spinks beating Mayorga made him "the man", then Judah beating Spinks made him the man, then Baldomir beating Judah made him the man, then Mayweather beating Baldomir made him the man (all of which is undeniably true). However, Floyd retiring broke that chain in my opinion, and he gave up his status as champ when he retired.

I find it hard to believe that so many boxing 'fans' on this forum don't understand how it works.