Who is the more accomplished heavyweight: Frazier or Liston?

I agree that "one-handed" is a bit harsch. Frazier had a decent right as well which he used effectively in the second fight against Quarry for example, but I haven't seen any fighter at Frazier's level being so reliant on one punch. With that said he was extremely skilled at landing that left hook even though everyone knew it was coming.

 

That's right, you rank Liston as #2 heavy all-time. That is quality analysis.

 

I wouldnt have Sonny that high ,but head to head he must make the top ten ,so if SQ puts him at 2 it isnt outrageous imo.

 

it is, imo.

frankly, this circular argument grows tedious. the Liston fetishists will pass and he will assume his rightful spot somewhere in the 10 - 15 range of heavyweights, gently being pushed lower as better, bigger and more accomplished fighters wind up their careers.

 

But it wasn't despite liston losing THREE points for low blows, All 3 judges had liston ahead by at least FOUR points and the AP had liston winning 10 rounds.

The fight was very hard paced, but not close. marciano-charles was much closer.

 

Damato sent patterson in against C level guys like roy harris, brian london, pete radamacher instead of nino Valdez, eddie machen, zora folley.

 

I actually said it was competitve,which ,imo it was Machen said years after that he hurt his arm prior to the fight otherwise it would have been closer I dont how much credence we should place in that ,just thought I would mention it.Machen was a solid pro the Ingo blow out was an aberration, imo ,he underestimated the Swede.Ranking lListon is tricky his defeats to Ali were so ignominious ,especially after the persona he had carefully cultivated as a Frankenstein type stone killer,if Im feeling generous I would put him at no 6 ,behind Holmes and just in front of Foreman.

 

The problem with the Patterson Ingo series is that it tied up the title for three years,Ingo was the no 1 challenger when Floyd defended against him,no 2 was Valdes no 3 Folley ,then when Ingo was champ the no 1 was Folley Floyd at 2 Liston at3,the following year Floyd champ Liston no1 Ingo 2 Machen 3 and Folley 4.So Machen and Folley along with |Liston and Valdes were frozen out of it while Floyd and Ingo played pass the parcel with the title ,thats why return bout clauses were eventually outlawed.

 

Going purely via accomplishment i have to think Frazier is a bit above Liston.

 

Going purely on avatar, I have to rate you a bit above everyone else on this board.