Who Is The More Complete Fighter - Pavlik Or Kessler?

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  1. MemoCan

    MemoCan *****49ers Express***** Full Member

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    Comparing the Skills of Kessler to Pavlik would be like Comparing Manchester United to Galatasary. Kessler far and above
     
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  2. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Example of a Pavlik sequence taken at random against Edison Miranda:

    Throws jab, slips incoming right hand from Miranda, throws right hook to the body, throws left hook to the body, blocks jab from Miranda, reset.

    Example of Kessler sequence taken at random against Danilo Haussler:

    Throws lead right, throws lead right, throws jab, jumps back as Haussler throws jab, throws lead left hook, throws jab, throws jab, jumps back as Haussler throws jab, throws lead right, throws jab, ect.


    I encourage anyone curious to watch tape of each fighter back to back.
     
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  3. CarlesX7

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    **** Manchester United.

    Pardon my french. ;)
     
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  4. konaman

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    Interesting statement after the Hopkins fight. I think it was pretty clear that Pavlik has terrible footwork and most definitely can't throw anything unless he has a significant amount of time to plant his feet. Pavlik definitely has a better guard but it isn't Winky-like and he has no head movement whatsoever, nor does he roll with punches at all so he is easy to hit and hit flush. Kessler's guard is terrible and theres no reason for his guard to be that open at his level, but he (as you say) is more athletic overall and that alllows him to react quicker and he at least attempts to roll or move away from punches, whereas Pavlik stands there with a stiff neck and eats them flush on the button if they get through the guard.

    Natural advantages aside, like handspeed, footspeed and just overall agility and athleticism aside (which play an absolutely massive part in a fighter), Pavlik might be more complete, but its a pretty moot point.
     
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  5. mexican legend

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    :rofl :rofl I am the same like you when talking about sports we like. **** the Celtics and the Patriots. :rofl :rofl
     
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  6. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    :lol:

    Lucky for you the Celtics are NOT my #1 team in the NBA. ;)
     
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  7. mexican legend

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    Who is? :D
     
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  8. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    I'd rather not talk about it. It's embarassing.
     
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  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I've removed Hopkins from the equation entirely, of course. If Pavlik is fighting Hopkins again I'll factor some of this in, otherwise it's completely immaterial. Nobody can do what Hopkins does except for Bernard Hopkins. Just because Bernard can cause all these problems, doesn't mean someone else can do it. Pavlik doesn't do alot of the things you're describing in other fights.

    Besides, we're comparing Pavlik to Mikkel Kessler of all people. Have a look at the tapes. Pavlik looks DYNAMIC compared to this guy. Watch footage of both of them back to back. I was surprised myself. And I do agree with you guys on this - it's definately a moot point.
     
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  10. mexican legend

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    Just tell me. I wont laugh. :D
     
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  11. MemoCan

    MemoCan *****49ers Express***** Full Member

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    I am 49er, and GSW fan. Your teams can't be any worse that any of my teams...
     
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  12. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Let's just say I liked Patrick Ewing back in the day. ;)
     
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  13. mexican legend

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    :rofl :rofl You poor *******.
     
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  14. MemoCan

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    You mean to tell me you didn't like having Isiah Thomas, and "Starberry"? :)
     
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  15. mexican legend

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    Jesus Christ, I know now. I am so sorry sir. :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
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