Who Is The More Complete Fighter - Pavlik Or Kessler?

Exactly. That's why I don't understand all the bashing for Pavlik by a lot of people, it's so unfair. If one had seen Kelly fight, they should have known his weaknesses long before the Hopkins fight. Pavlik is not so good as far as pure skill is concerned, and we all know how Bernard makes his opponents look.

 

It's a shame what they've become... :verysad

No, I didn't. :blood

 

:rofl

 

Obviously Hopkins fought the perfect fight but there are definitely things you can take from it. It really highlighted just how reliant he is on having a solid base to throw from, when someones standing right in front of Kelly, he is going to pump the jab and load up a big right hand. Any lateral movement is going to trouble his jab, though no one can do it quite like Hopkins obviously. Kelly is too textbook for his own good, which is what i think you are getting at, as the book goes, he looks very good. His punching technique is awesome and he sets things up off the jab, but he lacks the athletic ability to change that up, if someone can make his jab less effective, he is going to be **** out of luck.

Kessler is fast enough to throw lead left hooks and other less orthodox combinations and he can also punch a lot more effectively reguardless of what his base is doing. Thats where Kelly gets into a lot of trouble, if someone moves rapidly in any direction out of his punching range (which is certainly a big one) he can't follow them and still throw, he has to get back in range and reset his feet, and rinse and repeat.

Pavlik's next fight against a top fighter will certainly be interesting, to see how he bounces back, and also to see if anyone else is going to be good enough to take his jab away from him or at least incorporate some good movement and give his offensive game trouble. Its almost sad how badly his fans have desserted him, especially considering he still has a redhot chance at becoming the undisputed MW champ.

 

hmm...think i accidentally hit undecided, but i'd say mikkel kessler is more complete.....

pavlik is far from being complete, he's just a 1-2 fighter with power....

 

Hey, theres hope. Lebron might go there soon. Keep your head up. :good

 

well after b hop ouclassed kelly its easy to say kessler right ? should have sk that before that his fight with hopkins.i bet alot of people would have sayed something different then what they are saying now.

anyways i think kessler is a tad bit better TECHNICAL FIGHTER.i still think kelly its harder and can fight harder.

 

Oh well, one can only hope...

Ok, lets stop "trashing" Rafa's thread now.

 

:good :good :good (GO LAKERS)

 

Kessler for now. I feel Kelly isnt done developing and that we've seen the "best" Kessler by now....Both are very good and both are deficient in some areas

 

Quoting an old post:

Handspeed:

Kessler, not even close, why argue with obvious reality!

Footwork:

People said, before the Calzaghe fight that if Cal was able to get inside Kessler he would win by a mile, because Kessler wasnt able to box backfoot - turned out not to be true, at least kind of - Kesslers timing allowed him to keep hes stance timing Calzaghe coming in.

Pavliks footwork look a little heavy - fact is we dont really know yet.

Power:

Pavlik - Probably even, but lets assume that Pavlik carries his power up in weight.

Timing:

Kessler by a mile.

Defence:

Kessler easily.

Overall tecnical skills:

Kessler easily.

Heart:

Pavlik, Kessler has a heart but a case could be made that he didnt go all in against Calzaghe. Pavlik surely wouldnt mind being KO trying to win.



Result:

Kessler 70/30

 

Now for an unbiased version......
Timing: Neither Kessler or Pavlik rely much on timing. This is an obvious reality and should at best be even.

Defense: Again neither have a superb defense but when it all comes down to it Kesslers hands for the most part are kept quite low. Aside from this Kessler is quite stationary with no real movement going on. Pavlik on the other hand has a decent guard and is decent at slipping and parrying....Pavlik wins here

Technical skills: Roughly even but I do give Kessler the advantage here but not by much or even a mile:good

 

Kessler has great timing, that combined with his great sense of distance actually makes the very spine of his defense.

You must be joking to give defense to Pavlik! Watch the Miranda match again! Kessler doesnt get hit much. Pavlik on the other hand, likes his chin to be tested once in a while:hey

Technical skills: Please!