Who is the most complete fighter of the game today?

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Mikkel Kessler -

    Power - 4
    Speed (overall movement) - 4
    Footwork - 5
    WorkRate - 5
    Stamina - 4
    Heart - 4
    Chin - 4
    Boxing IQ - 5
    Hand Speed - 4
    Offense - 5
    Defense - 4
    Consistency - 5
    Accuracy - 5
    Timing - 5
     
  2. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    amsterdamn, sweetpea, and Kg
    wats ya rating for ROy jones in his prime
    when he was at 160/168 whats you guys rating. tryin 2 get a 2nd opinion
     
  3. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Calzaghe

    1-5 scale
    Power - 3
    Speed (overall movement) - 5
    Footwork - 5
    WorkRate - 5
    Stamina - 5
    Heart - 5
    Chin - 4
    Boxing IQ - 4
    Hand Speed - 5
    Offense - 5
    Defense - 4
    Consistency - 4
    Accuracy - 4
    Timing - 5
     
  4. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Kessler

    1-5 scale
    Power - 4
    Speed (overall movement) - 4
    Footwork - 4
    WorkRate - 5
    Stamina - 4
    Heart - 5
    Chin - 4
    Boxing IQ - 5
    Hand Speed - 4
    Offense - 5
    Defense - 5
    Consistency - 5
    Accuracy - 5
    Timing - 5
     
  5. CHEF

    CHEF Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This would be mine. Like I said though, this system doesn't take into account that all the numbers are not equal. Jones 5 in handspeed and footwork is not the same as even elite fighters with elite handspeed and footspeed. Just like Jones defense (a 5) wouldn't be on the level of Whitaker's (also a 5).
     
  7. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    chin = a 3, i dont agree with that man, he went to heavyweight and fought a decent heavyweight who has deceptive power. People think that John Ruiz hits soft, but he has deceptive power. I could b mistaken but didnt he put down Holyfield be4. IM not sure, and RJ fought him and stood up. I dont attribute RJ with china chin b/c he got caugth with an unsuspecting shot that woulda wobbled anybody.
    Glen Johnson was an accumulation of punches that jus caught up with him. But in his prime his chin was still very good a 4 at most
     
  8. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I would like to add that "chin" was not a problem at all back then.

    In fact, no one talked negative about Jones' chin untill he got KO'd at age 35.

    If Mayweather gets KO'd by one punch on two occasions in 2011, probably people will claim he has a "glass chin" just like Jones, but fact remains that right now, Mayweathers chin looks excellent despite moving up in weight.
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This is true. But in fairness, I do not believe that Jones' chin was tested as much as Mayweather's during their respective primes. Would you not agree?
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Marquez is not complete, he's fantastic, but he has flaws more so than a Floyd Mayweather level fighter.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'd say that Barrera is as complete as Marquez, even with the loss - they seem about equal in many categories. Marquez may have the nod in power while Barrera is faster.
     
  12. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess Mayweather, hes one hell of a complete fighter, lacks a little power though.
     
  13. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No Way. There is a reason why no heavyweights are in top 10 p4p. Too big and clumsy.

    Wlad Klitchko

    Power - 5
    Speed (overall movement) - 3
    Footwork - 3 (tons of heavies can move better.)
    WorkRate - 3 (not impress, his main thing is power/timing)
    Stamina - 3 (his main thing is power/timing)
    Heart - 2 (he will quit on a dime for a world class fighter)
    Chin - 3
    Boxing IQ - 5
    Hand Speed - 3
    Offense - 5 (His crushing power)
    Defense - 4 (Thanks for his reach)
    Consistency - 5
    Accuracy - 5
    Timing - 5
    Durability - 1 (for as big as he is. he is one of the worst in taking shots, folds like a lawn chair)
     
  14. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree, I like when you said he folds like a lawn chair, I would put his chin at a 1 or 2 though. Hes been knocked down at least 11 already and has been knocked out 3 times, I feel thats enough prove his chin is worse than you think.:good
     
  15. Napoleon

    Napoleon Smokin' Full Member

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    Charlie Sweet Pea Zelenoff

    Power - 1
    Speed (overall movement) - 0
    Footwork - 0
    WorkRate - 0
    Stamina -1
    Heart -0
    Chin - NEGATIVE 5
    Boxing IQ - NEGATIVE 200
    Hand Speed - 0
    Offense - 0
    Defense - Negative 10
    Consistency - 0
    Accuracy - NEGATIVE ****ING THOUSAND
    Timing - 0

    Overral he is a -1213 fighter.:good
    Durability - 0