Who is the most underated fighter on this forum

Esteban de Jesus.
Hector Camacho.
J.L. Ramirez

 

Ok, I think Leonard was one hell of a fighter, combing skill and grit, but he is hardly under-rated. Everyone with a skull on his shoulders knows he was a great fighter.

Julio Cesar Vasquezzis my example of an under-rated fighter. I watched fifth row and center as he pounded Winky Wright to the floor over and over again. I also thought the Sweat Pea fight was a sham, as JC was leading according to my and Gil Clancy's card going into the 10th but somehow powerpuching and ring generalship didn't count by the wide margin for the pitty-pat artist Whitaker. If JCV had faced Terry Norris- prime for prime as they both coincided- he would have put him through the canvas.

 

Well every time i see his name mentioned i see underrated in the post as well. Like Burley, he's in danger of moving into the overrated category. I think he's a great fighter, and a great technician, but he's no better than his present reputation.

 

Rocky Marciano
James J. Jeffries
Jose Angel Napoles
Freddie Dawson
Young Corbett III
Freddie Miller
Maxie Rosenbloom
Duilio Loi
Tony Canzoneri
Harry Wills
Pancho Villa
Charles Burley

 

In no order,Benny Lynch
Peter Kane
Billy Petrolle
Jack Dillon
George Lavigne
Jack Britton
Jack Delaney
Pete Herman
Khaosai Galaxy
Miguel Canto
Bud Taylor
Owan Moran

 

Packey McFarland
Owen Moran
Willie Ritchie
Mike Gibbons
Billy Graham
Lew Jenkins
Rocky Kansas
Wes Ramey

 

Ray Robinson; he was that good, that to do him justice and give him his proper place in history I would say one fifth of all threads in this forum should be about him!

 

jimmy 'mighty atom' wilde doesn't get his props enough on here, or anywhere come to think of it. i suppose it's mainly due to him coming from the lower weight classes.

 

Foreman, Lewis, Tunney, Sharkey, Sullivan, Carnera (in that he was not a bum), same for Galento.

The other weight divisions have too many for me to think of.

 

Anyone who disagrees with someones opinion of Leonard being rated in a top 10 "pound for pound" list needs medical attention asap.

Never forget his win over Lalonde. He looked like a midget in there that night, and his finishing was as good as you'll ever see. Height disadvantge, weight as well, and was dropped and dazed by a clubbing overhand right.

 

Errr... No, they don't.

 

You don't have to outline his career for me, I've got it all down. I haven't got a problem with someone rating Leonard #10 or, at a push, #9, but unquestionably top ten? Medical attention if not? Not a chance.

 

What I mean't was Leonard's credentials are worthy of a top 10 placing, along with maybe 20 others. Someone else may well have not have him in their top 10, but surely they can look at a different persons opinion and say "he may not be in my top 10, but I aint going to grumble".

 

I can do that. But you said anyone who disagrees with them needs medical attention. I disagree with them, it's just not worth the effort getting into a debate about because Leonard's placement is valid. Anyway, here's my list:

Disclaimer - ratings are based largely on accomplishments and are done using a time-for-time scale. For example, you might think Benny Leonard beating Lew Tendler twice is not as good as Shane Mosley beating Oscar De La Hoya twice, but for their time they were equal. For their time, Tendler was roughly De La Hoya's equivalent.

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Willie Pep
5. Benny Leonard
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Archie Moore
9. Joe Gans
10. Barney Ross

 

I made it sound as if Leonard should be on everyones top 10 "pound for pound" list. Maybe I went slightly overboard with my words. Now you know what I meant. Your list devotes itself purely to the old timers, apart from Duran. Great list, and all worthy of a mention. No question.

Regarding my list, I'll go with a top 5.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Roberto Duran
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Willie Pep

The Ring "The 80 best fighters of the last 80 years" top 10 list.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker