Who is the only man to have floored granite chin Kelly Pavlik and Carl Froch?

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  1. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hypejob?


    he fought 24 close rounds with arguably one of the best mw's of all time.

    if you closely follow boxing, which you probably don't, you would understand that many great fighters are never the same after being ko'd.

    Donald curry, jones jr. and vargas are good examples of this

    some fighters never fight again(lipsey/spinks).
     
  2. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what did you expect?
    hopkins was still the king at MW when taylor fought him
    he was a past prime, dethroned champ in his mid forties when calzaghe fought him

    it was taylor, not calzaghe, who will be remembered for dethroning hopkins
     
  3. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    Well thanks for that.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Free Smurk

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    Taylor had underrated power when he sat on his shots he had some serious pop.
     
  5. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or Winky Wright either.

    36 consecutive rounds against 2 of the top 5 p4p fighters in the world, and JT won at worse half of them.

    The hate thrown at Bad Intentions on ESB has always been silly.
     
  6. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    taylor catches so much hate on here its rediculous. the guy was a great athlete and a solid fighter. hype jobs don't fight hopkins and wright that close. and just because pavlik froch and abe knock you out...that doesnt necessarily mean you have a glass jaw. he took pavlik's right for 7 straight rounds and froch and aa certainly didnt drop him with the first meaningful punch they landed.
     
  7. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was always a big Taylor fan, dude was a beast and didn't duck anyone. Such a shame that he was within inches of Froch and Pavlik, that could have gotten his career near HOF honors.
     
  8. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of fans demand fighters to fight the best after the best, that's exactly what Taylor did but he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, very good fighter. Hopefully he hangs them up though, I was shocked that he managed to get a license after that Abraham fight.
     
  9. MexicanInsanity

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    A few things have always bothered me about Taylor is the “what if” factor. Pavlik was done in the 2nd round of that first fight. Taylor was bombs away and Kelly had no legs. Pavlik survived at least in major part because Taylor is a poor finisher. What does a TKO 2 change in the path of Jermain Taylor?

    Furthermore, Taylor was up fairly easily against Froch. I’m not saying it was completely one sided, but I had Taylor just needing to not get stopped going into the last two rounds. He still would have won on my and the official cards in the 12th had he gotten to his feet and survived after the knockdown. What if he were to have just ran for the 12th and didn’t get caught? Or, alternatively, what if he had gotten up and used that ref delay when Smoger would have him walk forward and pick up his gloves to finish the fight and win?

    Finally, the Abraham fight. Six seconds left. What do we say to Taylor if he lost a decision to Abraham?

    Even though it seems like a lot, there is so little separating Taylor from his current borderline gate keeper status to P4P elite. If I could pick one out of all the careers in boxing to hit re-do on, I’d pick Taylor. It is a classic example of a “if he knew then what he knows now” scenario.
     
  10. People hate on Taylor way too much for my liking. Yes, he is a flawed fighter and yeah you can say that maybe boxing doesn’t come naturallly to him but the man is a man’s man. He fought the best that he could while he was on top.

    How many people actually have a legit case that they won a fight vs an ATG in Hopkins. He actually won two times regardless of what you thought of those two fights. Outside of Hopkins loss to RJ, Taylor was his biggest and hardest test in his career. Heck I doubt there is anyone in the SuperSix right now that could get a W vs Hopkins of 5 years ago.

    He also lost by KO to guys who have an over 80% KO ratio. Not that many people are willing to step up and fight those type of fighters.
     
  11. Jeff3300

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    Taylor took tough fights with elite fighters and was always classy whether he won or lost.

    Taylor accomplished a lot in his short career, but I think he could have done more if he was handled better. Manny Steward was all wrong for Taylor. At the time that Taylor was under Steward’s tutelage, Steward was away a lot training and working the corner for Klitschko, Cintron, Andy Lee, etc. Steward never really had the time to teach Taylor anything. That’s really unfortunate because Taylor had the physical tools and I believe if he had been taught to be savvy fighter, his reign at the top would have lasted longer.

    That said, Taylor deserves a lot of respect. He knew he was flawed, but at the same time he never shied away from challenges.
     
  12. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    There's rumours here in oz guys that he will be fighting sam soliman for the ibf crown
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Pavlik has been floored on three other occasions in addition to being dropped by Taylor. Mathias Bedburdick hurt him badly with a big shot and should've been credited with a KD. Fulgencio Zuniga dropped him on his ass with a big left hand in the first round of their fight. And Bronco McKart also made him touch the canvas with a glove too, although it was more a balance issue than a genuine KD.
     
  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. Taylor lost twice to Hopkins - but HBO got him those bogus verdicts, and RIPPED OFF an ATG of victories he should have had.

    They also ripped off Winky Wright of a victory too to build this guy up.
     
  15. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the only problem about JT is GASSING!