Who is the single most underrated Heavyweight of all time?

I agree for once.

 

Joe Frazier is H2H shamefully underrated and his skills seem almost invisible to half the people here. I see lip-service paid to his legacy but when it comes to H2H they fail to acknowledge he didn't beat the best or rule a division as anything other than a H2H badass. He is the greatest inside-fighting HW champion in history and if you put him in at his best with guys like Ali, Holmes, Johnson, Volo, Vitali, even Lewis, I don't care how big they are, they're going to have a rabid dog on their ass and they might get it in the jugular.

 

I agree.

The top, cream of the crop heavyweights have the size AND speed AND either the craft or the power to make all that count. But a lot of the rest didn't, and Roy's speed and footwork are simply a nightmare.

Speed kills, and Roy Jones would be the most wanted man at heavyweight in most era's. He'd give guys outside the top 15 fits, mark my words, and I think he'd make guys like Holyfield very uncomfortable even if he ultimately succumbed to the size and pressure.

Fact of the matter is, Ruiz wasn't horrible. Far from it. He wasn't an elite operator or a craftsman, but he was big, strong, dogged, and had a good jab. He was also not afraid to mug and maul guys to win, even when outmatched skillwise or even physically. Roy made him look stupid. Nobody else until David Haye, when Ruiz was much older and slower, made Ruiz look stupid. That clues us in the the less mobile, less skillful pressure or volume based operators would be in for headaches.

 

Harold Johnson.

 

Roy also seemed to have enough power to keep Ruiz where Roy wanted him.

His footwork was indeed great

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As Jones is strutting and moving his head, he turns his right foot onto the ball and coils his right knee. With his right shoulder almost squared the punch is essentially a coordinated thrust of the back leg and lead arm rather than a punch delivered with a powerful hip turn.

 

One might mention that the jugular isn't in the ass. But I didn't mean that anyway. I meant there'd be a presence at the ass and a potential strike at the jugular, eventually, springing from the asseal area upward.

 

Joe Goddard
John Ruiz
Ruslan Chagaev

 

You see that drive with the toe? How he pushes OFF the mat into his right hand?

That is really, really good form with the feet. Roy really knew how to get leverage. I throw mine the same way, and I was taught to do so by the greats.

I tell you what, Jones wasn't some master technician like Hopkins, but his body mechanics are immaculate. He's always balanced and always dangerous, and because he is so fast and comfortable on his feet, he's frightfully hard to pin down. If you can't pin him down, you need to fight him as a distance, or counter him, because there seems to me to be little way inside, he just won't stay still until you wont give him room. Good luck with that.

 

Jones is a good call. I also think if you were to go on other sites besides classic you'd find that Liston doesn't get the respect he deserves because the majority of posters just evaluate his career or H2h performance based on the Clay/Ali fights. Sanders would likely acheive a fair amount of success H2h if he were to fight in various eras. I think a guy with his explosive power and hand speed could catch many by surprise.

 

Boston Tom McMustache.

 

Oliver McCall or David Tua , depends on d spirit of d moment .

 

Why are people saying Ibeabuchi? alot of people think he would have become champ, he gets his respect for the short period he was around, probably more than his record is worth.

 

Not a bad shout.

He was regarded as being almost unbeatable by many contemporaries.

 

Its generating power from the legs. Its what you get thought the first day you walk into a boxing gym.