Who is the WORST challenger for a world title in HISTORY?

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  1. casian72

    casian72 Active Member Full Member

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    Terry Conklin vs James "The Grim Reaper" Roper. oh and Margarito fighting for the WBC jmw title vs Pacquiao.
     
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  2. StiffJab

    StiffJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Garry Lockett with Kelly Pavlik was a joke to watch and billy dib was just as bad.
     
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  3. D9Garrard

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    Tony Gardner was a complete unknown from the backwoods in Oklahoma when he got a shot against Elisha Obed for the 154lb crown back in 1976. No tape is available on him, so I can't verify he was grossly overmatched but he became a travelling "opponent" with many KO losses immediately afterwards.

    I suspect the best answer may be found in some of the foriegn defenses of the smallest weight class champions, though. At least we know the Gardners, Daniels, and Franks of the world actually had a professional resume against other real pros. I keep envisioning some guy peddling a three wheeler somewhere in Malaysia getting pulled aside and talked into "fighting for the title" who never even laced up gloves before.
     
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    Thats a great photo.
     
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  5. horst

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    :lol: Yes, you did "walk me right into" someone who DOESN'T top the one I provided.

    Frank's last 5 opponents aren't as bad as these:


    Steve Frank's last 5 opponents which you have listed patently aren't as bad as the ones I listed...


    THREE of the six had lost all SIX of their last SIX fights in a row - :yikes

    One of them had only had ONE pro fight - :yikes

    And one had NEVER won a SINGLE fight as a pro -     :yikes



    So, I repeat - can anyone top this??!



    (the one Robney listed where the challengers' record was 1-4 is pretty spectacular though!!!) :lol:
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  6. horst

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    :huh Ottke gave the guy a title shot after he'd already went the distance with a world champion in a world title fight.

    Calzaghe gave the guy a title shot on the back of 6 of the worst opponents imaginable, guys who had lost their last 6 fights in a row or who'd only have 1 or 2 pro fights.

    It was Calzaghe who legitimized this loser and made him known, not Ottke.

    Both Calzaghe and Ottke are utterly reprehensible for giving this guy a shot, but Calzaghe was the cardinal sinner here, you absolutely cannot justify a title shot for those last 6 opponents, come on man, that's insanity.
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  7. horst

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    :lol: Yes, I'm so ****ing embarrassed that I don't own the Rick Thornberry boxed set... :oops:

    The only way to find out about the early careers of fringe contenders is boxrec. How else could you find out the records of fighters that fringe contenders fought on their way up? You tell me.
     
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  8. horst

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    What the TS had in mind was people to come up with their own answers... which is why the TS asked people to come up with their own answers... which is why people have been coming up with their own answers...

    Not rocket science, is it?

    And regardless of your opinion, I have yet to see ANYONE post a fighter with a worst list of opponents in the lead-up to their title challenge than Rick Thornberry. :deal

    Of course, the Zarate opponent with a record of 1-4 does blow Thornberry out of the water mind you, but that was one I was not aware of, so thanks to whoever posted that on this thread first!! Will need to check that one out.
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  9. horst

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    :huh Did I make up Thornberry's record in order to have a go at Joe Calzaghe? Have I lied or exaggerated or twisted anything at all? Or have I merely presented absolute fact? Ask yourself that question.

    ANYONE who is not shocked by a guy getting a world title shot on the back of a run of 6 opponents who have either lost all of their fights or only had 1 or 2 pro fights, ANYONE who is not shocked and appalled by that needs help. :deal
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  10. horst

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    :yikes These ones are just crazy. If true, they are definitely worse than Thornberry, Damon Reed, or anyone else I can think of.

    How the hell were these even sanctioned???
     
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  11. Robney

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    It's not just about building up towards the fight of course, but the fighter in general. Thornberry did fight tomatocans on his way to his titlefight, but also had beaten significantly better opponents the year before that. Frank had ONLY fought tomato cans, until his fight with B-Hop.
    A lot of other guys mentioned here NEVER had fought ANYBODY of note, or the ones that did had LOST those fights and didn't stand a chance.

    Just take a look at Frank's total list, and then compare it to Thornberry's. There's a significant difference!
    Just tell me this; Who do you honestly think would have won the fight between them if they fought eachother at the time they fought Hopkins and Calzaghe? :think
    And another thing... How about the fact that Frank NEVER EVER had fought at middleweight before in his career until he got the titleshot?
     
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  12. rocky1

    rocky1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1 of ricardo lopez's opponents

    Kimio Hirano 9-3-3. 2 of his losses were to guys on there debuts the other was to a guy who was 1-0.
    1 of his draws was against a guy on his debut another was against a guy who was 1-1.
    His best win was a 4th round ko against someone who was 9-11 and the guy he fought before he fought Lopez 0-13 sung kyu kim he won a competitive ud utter garbage.
     
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  13. Shogun Assassin

    Shogun Assassin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pete Rademacher.
     
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  14. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    The Kpalongo fight I understand a little bit, because he faked his record to 45-2 I believe (but it's insane they don't check anything like that, or somebody got a hefty sum of money to cover it up). I don't even have a word for the Hernandez bout :-(
     
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  15. horst

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    The way that someone is supposed to achieve a title shot is by the opponents they beat in the lead-up to the title shot, that's the way rankings are supposed to work.

    I had never seen anyone get a title shot with a worse run of opponents up to his title shot than Rick Thornberry.

    His run of opponents up to his title shot was insane - absolutely mind-blowing. Do you agree with that?

    However, I did not say in my opening post that "I have conducted a thorough search of every boxer ever, and have concluded, definitively, that Rick Thornberry is THE worst challenger ever" - I didn't do anything of the sort. I said words to the effect of "I bet there are going to be a few excellent answers to this question", and asked people to reply with whatever they could come up with for the worst challenger ever.

    On the basis of the opponents fought in the lead-up to the title shot, which is supposed to be how title shots are earned, I still haven't seen any to compare to Rick Thornberry.


    However, I 100% agree that those two jokers fought by Zarate must be worse, considering how few fights they had, and (like I asked for) there have been numerous other equally good suggestions such as Steve Frank, Damon Reed, and a few more guys I'd never even heard of that are just unbelievable!
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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