Who is the WORST challenger for a world title in HISTORY?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Mar 27, 2011.


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  1. horst

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    I smell hypocrite...

    How can you go to boxrec, get a guy's record, and quote it without seeing all of his fights? Why mention his record if you haven't seen all 22 of his fights, and the fights of all of his opponents as well? Surely you can't judge the guy and his record unless you have done so?

    You see, we all use resources to reference. It's highly infantile to pretend you don't.
     
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  2. horst

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    The "fact" is irrelevant, because whether the WBO, Frank Warren or Joe Calzaghe selected the opponent is irrelevant, what is relevant is Thornberry's recent record, which was SHOCKING, and still hasn't been topped in this thread.
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  3. horst

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    But you criticize Richard Frazier's record, when you had never seen any of his 22 fights?

    :oops::oops::oops:

    Oh God, this hypcrisy is alarming...
     
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  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    The Zarate fights were in a league of their own indeed. :yep
    But do you also agree that guys like Richard Frazier and certainly Steve Frank (at least Frazier fought once for the USBA title) were significantly worse challengers as Thornberry was also?
     
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  5. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    didn't say you can't use it...as you say it is a useful resource...i have been on there a few times to check stuff that i'm unsure of (& i'd like you to show me where i said you can NEVER use it). altho i didn't actually get that particular record off boxrec anyway. nice try. :good

    but using boxrec as the basis for your arguments about boxers you've never seen & didn't know anything about until "recently" (probably a couple of days ago...or even a hour or so before you posted this thread) is a boxrec warrior. :deal

    really? i've never seen any of his fights? :-(

    but...seeing as how you are now bogging this discussion down in semantics...i'm gonna call hypocrisy too:

    you don't like it? so why are you doing it? :huh
     
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  6. horst

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    Not in terms of the opponents they beat in the lead-ups to their title shots I don't, which is supposed to be how title shots are gained.

    Do you agree with that?

    Thornberry's recent record to actually earn a title shot is the worst I've EVER seen (hence the thread).

    Of course, Steve Frank didn't put up anywhere near as decent a fight as Thornberry did, Frank's was probably the worst ever title challenge in the ring, because of how pathetically he folded immediately!

    And p4p/career-wise, Frazier was worse.

    Frazier was, dare I even say it, Pudwill-esque. :good
     
    horst, Mar 29, 2011
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  7. horst

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    Yeah, you got it from your Big Book Of Richard Frazier... :lol:

    12 was maybe a bit ambitious, I'd say you were probably 8 or 9.


    A "boxrec warrior" is someone who uses facts off boxrec to pretend they have seen the fights they talk about. :deal

    At no point did I pretend I had seen Joseph Polu or Neil Munn fight. :deal

    If you make a thread about a fight you haven't seen but use boxrec facts to discuss that fight, you = boxrec warrior. :deal

    If you make a thread about statistics only (boxers' records) but     don't mention how the fights went nor pretend to have seen the fight, then obviously you're not a boxrec warrior, as all you are doing is using stats, exactly the same way you just did about Richard Frazier. :deal

    Consider yourself schooled on the issue.     :smoke


    Yes, you have never seen any of Frazier's 22 pre-Jones fights.

    Why, care to prove me wrong?     :huh:D

    Lame, very lame. If you care to elaborate on this rather feeble point, please do so, and I shall rebuff it with the same ease that I rebuffed your dud of a "boxrec warrior" accusation.

    :good
     
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  8. Robney

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    In my opinion, Frank's career is even far worse as Frazier's was also. At least Frazier has beaten a few "reasonable" opponents, while Frank's best win was arguably over 15-4-1 Billy Durbin (his last fight) who was merely a unsuccesful "bum basher".
     
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  9. horst

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    Tocker Pudwill is every bit as dire as any of them.

    Before his shot at Calzaghe, the records of his 4 opponents were: 5-12-1, 13-139-4, 9-32-2, 6-16-2.

    Even before he got his shot at Ottke, his last opponent was 21-15-3.

    We should make a HOF of the most pathetic title challengers in history, going by the stuff that's came out on this thread.
     
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  10. Boom_Boom

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    I hope this doesnt anger you Popkins but I thought Hakkar was one of the first. Not the worst though. This guy came to just last the distance against Hopkins but even couldnt do that.
     
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  11. horst

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    It doesn't anger me in the slightest mate. I'm not a Morrade Hakkar fan!

    His performance was dire, I agree. But as he was European champion before he fought B-Hop, he wouldn't be on my shortlist for THE worst ever.
     
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  12. Boom_Boom

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    normally i would think its typical of the sanctioing belts to make a fighter like him fight for a belt but for all those belts Hopkins held to make Hakkar a legit contender was absolutely cringe worthy. It would be like a poor man version of Michael Jennings fighting for 3 belts as well as linealship.
     
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  13. ploys

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    yeah. & old old are you? cos you don't seem to have been following boxing very long & only know about fighters through boxrec & boxsets.

    dude...you started a thread about a fighter you'd never seen & only became "acquainted" with "recently" through boxrec...& you called him the "worst" title challenger ever. you are talking about something of which you have literally no first hand knowledge...just some stats on an internet site...you started a thread based on your conclusions from looking at those stats...& you did it primarily to get at calzaghe...which makes you not only a boxrec warrior but also a troll. :deal

    i knew all about frazier long before i was on this thread...cos i was following boxing at the time...& i (like many others at the time) were fairly outraged that the guy considered by many to be the no.1 man in the sport was taking on a part-time police officer who had looked average on the undercards of fighters like b-hop, rjj & tapia...& suddenly he's getting a title shot.



    :lol:

    "schooled" huh? seriously how old are you? were you also planning on "pwn-ing" me?

    :lol:
    saw him a couple of times on under-cards. wouldn't say i followed his career...but i'm more well placed to talk about him than you are to talk about thornberry cos i was following boxing AT THE TIME. whereas you only found out about the **** you are talking about a couple of days ago. :D

    elaborate? what's to elaborate? you criticise me for using "semantic bull****" & this whole post is nothing but semantic bull****. you also criticised me for being a hypocrite...& well...thats kinda hypocritical...no?

    feel free to school me on how your hypocrisy is different to the hypocrisy that you accused me of...which wasn't actually hypocrisy anyway...:thumbsup
     
    ploys, Mar 29, 2011
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  14. ploys

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    did it occur to you that his run of fights wasn't what "earned" him the title shot...as it was actually his run with a minor wbo title that did that...but he was instead taking on bums cos he didn't want to lose & thus effect his ranking?

    no?

    oh yeah...cos you don't get the context by looking at a bunch of stats on a website 10 years after the ****ing event you ******. :deal
     
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  15. Robney

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    I think you should be a lot more critical about "your man" Hopkins though... Cause he had a few horrendous challengers in '96 an '97.
    '96 Steve Frank (already talked about, really really bad)
    '96 William Bo James
    '97 Andrew Council

    There's no defending RJJ or slappin' Joe (who also had Branko Sobot on his resume), but B-Hop wasn't very clean in this case also.
     
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