Who is Wilder's current historical counterpart?

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  1. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And to think Francesco Damiani stopped Teofilo Stevenson's 11 years streak at the world games

    And even won a silver olympic medal

    His belt was also more legit than Wilder's

    As Wilder stands now, it can even be said he has yet to reach Damiani's level

    The search for Wilder's historical counterparts continues :blood
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True.. Damiani in his first 25 pro fights beat semi-decent fighters in Tyrell Biggs, James Broad, Johnny Duplooy and Eddie Gregg. Wilder's competition was absolutely dire within his first 30 fights.
     
  3. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Wilder has yet to beat someone as good as golota.
     
  4. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How was Francesco Damiani's vacant inaugural WBO belt, which was created after Mike Tyson unified all the titles and also knocked out Michael Spinks, "more legit" than Wilder's WBC title?:roll:
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    John Tate? :patsch

    Tate won a vacant belt. Made zero defenses. Was beaten unconscious twice. And retired with fewer wins than Wilder has now.

    How the hell is Wilder comparable to Tate?

    Have "you" ever heard of John Tate?:roll:
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Probably not. I'm willing to agree with that, because Golota was a legit A-level talent, even though he never truly became an A-level fighter.

    All the same, I think this was really more an example of a typical Golota implosion than anything else. Not taking anything away from Grant - he exhibited great heart, and courage, and determination, and he hung in there and overcame adversity.

    But I view that more as "Golota losing the fight" than "Grant winning the fight" if you get my meaning.
     
  8. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Exactly, thank you. The Wilder hate is strong with these ones. Just aren't willing to rationally compare his resume to reasonable historical predecessors.

    I'm hopeful but by no means sold on Wilder having the chance to be a truly dynamic force in the HW division, but he's at least as far along as Chagaev was and if he beats Povetkin he gets into much more rarefied air. I'd put him fringe top 40 all time at that stage.
     
  9. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Primo carnerra,cradled to a title,now a sitting duck or a lamb to the slaughter when he finally steps up to anything near elite world class
     
  10. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We'll have to wait and see what happens with Wilders clash against Potvekin before we can find his counterpart. As of right now, Wilders "crushed cans" are wreaking havoc on the heavyweight landscape so his placement has got a Jumpstart with the legacy defibrillator
     
  11. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal:deal
    beat me to it.
     
  12. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I would say Michael Bentt; but even he had a better resumé than Wilder lmao.
     
  13. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    Ingemar Johansson at the moment,
    Both had a relatively protected path to the title with one very good win before the title shot, faced and won a title against a brave Champion with some obvious limitations, neither will be mistaken for a smooth technician and both had power as their main asset. Ingo crumbled after his first loss and was never the same - the Jury is out on Mr. Wilder until he loses and if he keeps improving while facing better opposition this will no longer appear to be a good comparison.
     
  14. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good suggestion. To be fair, I think Patterson is a much better win than anything Wilder has right now, and that alone elevates Ingo above where Wilder is. But if Wilder beats Povetkin, I think they will be in the same ballpark. Povetkin isn't as much an ATG as Patterson, but the rest of Wilder's resume is enough of an improvement over Ingo's that they would be fairly close in resume.
     
  15. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Golota was ever the same after the Bowe fights. The low blows fiasco and then getting demolished by Lewis took him down a few pegs. He had good moments after that but he folded like a cheap suit when he took a few good shots.

    I'd give Wilder about a 75% chance of knocking the version of Golota Grant fought out in a few rounds.

    Now the version who whipped Rid**** Bowe, might be a different story.