And to think Francesco Damiani stopped Teofilo Stevenson's 11 years streak at the world games And even won a silver olympic medal His belt was also more legit than Wilder's As Wilder stands now, it can even be said he has yet to reach Damiani's level The search for Wilder's historical counterparts continues :blood
True.. Damiani in his first 25 pro fights beat semi-decent fighters in Tyrell Biggs, James Broad, Johnny Duplooy and Eddie Gregg. Wilder's competition was absolutely dire within his first 30 fights.
How was Francesco Damiani's vacant inaugural WBO belt, which was created after Mike Tyson unified all the titles and also knocked out Michael Spinks, "more legit" than Wilder's WBC title?:roll:
John Tate? atsch Tate won a vacant belt. Made zero defenses. Was beaten unconscious twice. And retired with fewer wins than Wilder has now. How the hell is Wilder comparable to Tate? Have "you" ever heard of John Tate?:roll:
Probably not. I'm willing to agree with that, because Golota was a legit A-level talent, even though he never truly became an A-level fighter. All the same, I think this was really more an example of a typical Golota implosion than anything else. Not taking anything away from Grant - he exhibited great heart, and courage, and determination, and he hung in there and overcame adversity. But I view that more as "Golota losing the fight" than "Grant winning the fight" if you get my meaning.
Exactly, thank you. The Wilder hate is strong with these ones. Just aren't willing to rationally compare his resume to reasonable historical predecessors. I'm hopeful but by no means sold on Wilder having the chance to be a truly dynamic force in the HW division, but he's at least as far along as Chagaev was and if he beats Povetkin he gets into much more rarefied air. I'd put him fringe top 40 all time at that stage.
Primo carnerra,cradled to a title,now a sitting duck or a lamb to the slaughter when he finally steps up to anything near elite world class
We'll have to wait and see what happens with Wilders clash against Potvekin before we can find his counterpart. As of right now, Wilders "crushed cans" are wreaking havoc on the heavyweight landscape so his placement has got a Jumpstart with the legacy defibrillator
Ingemar Johansson at the moment, Both had a relatively protected path to the title with one very good win before the title shot, faced and won a title against a brave Champion with some obvious limitations, neither will be mistaken for a smooth technician and both had power as their main asset. Ingo crumbled after his first loss and was never the same - the Jury is out on Mr. Wilder until he loses and if he keeps improving while facing better opposition this will no longer appear to be a good comparison.
Good suggestion. To be fair, I think Patterson is a much better win than anything Wilder has right now, and that alone elevates Ingo above where Wilder is. But if Wilder beats Povetkin, I think they will be in the same ballpark. Povetkin isn't as much an ATG as Patterson, but the rest of Wilder's resume is enough of an improvement over Ingo's that they would be fairly close in resume.
I don't think Golota was ever the same after the Bowe fights. The low blows fiasco and then getting demolished by Lewis took him down a few pegs. He had good moments after that but he folded like a cheap suit when he took a few good shots. I'd give Wilder about a 75% chance of knocking the version of Golota Grant fought out in a few rounds. Now the version who whipped Rid**** Bowe, might be a different story.