Who is your #3 Heavyweight?

1)Louis
2)Marciano
3)Ali
4)Dempsey
5)Frazier
6)Foreman
7)Lewis
8)Tunney/Jeffries/Johnson
9)Walcott
10)Holyfeild,Tyson,Baer
11)Scmeling,Holmes,Charles
12Liston

 

Rocky Marciano

 

Ok I like that you have Frazier so high. I dont rank him that high myself but a case can be made for him top 3.

But the two Klitschkos stick out like a sore thumb. Vitali's best win was over a 38 year old that wasn't very good to begin with. Wlad has been stopped three times so far in his career by B class fighters.

Marciano was unbeaten and beat two top 20 ATGs at heavyweight and a p4p great.

 

My list is half head to head and half resume/acommplishment

Tyson head to head is number one in my opinion. He was great against every style which is something you can't say for most of the other greats. Ali could be beaten when forced to be the aggressor, Foreman could be outlasted, Liston could be outboxed etc. Tyson on the other hand destroyed fighters who backed up from him (Holmes, Thomas, Biggs) and big punches often found they couldn't land on him and were much slower (Bruno, Ruddock) He also could avoid being frustrated by clinches, and getting reckless with cruising to a UD against Smith and Tucker. Head to head he edges Ali in the head to head department.

Accomplishment speaking he isn't as great as he is in head to head. He had 10 title defenses and there's only a handful of fighters who got that many. He didn't beat as many good/great fighters as Ali, Louis, Lewis and a few others but he has an under rated resume. Wins over Spinks, Holmes, Ruddock, Bruno, Tucker, Thomas, Tubbs, Smith, and Williams is very impressive. He was also the youngest ever heavyweight champion and that is a great accomplishment. Winning it back after a layoff adds to it as well. Tyson accomplishments rank probably about 5-8 all time.

So factoring in head to head and accomplishments it averages out to about 2-3 all time.

 

Why not? Most regard him to be the best finisher ever or top 3 at worst, he's regarded as having one of the top 3 fastest handspeed in heavyweight history, and his punching power is regarded as top 8-10 by pretty much everyone. Most admit that he had a granite chin and could soak up a beating and he also had very good technique which every alludes to.

Yet, people find a way to keep him out of the top 5 all time and much of the time top 10.

 

Muchmoore,

While I think top2 is a little generous, I agree with how positive your various sub-rankings are (speed, finisher etc), and even would say punching power 8-10 is a conservative judgment. Prime Tyson has a lot going for him.

I think that the detractors focus on his lack of longevity (he burnt out pretty quick) and the nature of the 2nd Holy fight, which gave him a quitters label.

Lewis and Holyfield were nicer blokes, but I dont think they should rank higher than Tyson either.

 

probably johnson but idk my mind plays tricks with me all the time and i am constantly rearranging my list

 

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano
4. Johnson
5. Lewis

 

Mine's probably:

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Yeah but you don't polish Tyson with gay abandon.

 

LMAO!! Mine is now Lewis with Holmes cemented in at 4. 5 is gonna be damn hard to nut out tho.

 

Forgive me for sharing an opinion ( how dare I ), but I tend to lean towards the notion that Ledoux's record of 33-13-4-22, is just a wee less hard on the eye than roper's credentials of 59-44-10-30. Also, most of Ledoux's defeats truly WERE to good fighters. Although Roper faced some decnt boxers, the vast majority of the numbers in the L column were not to noteworthy opposition.

 

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Lewis
5. Frazier
6. Marciano