Who is your top 10 at heavyweight right now?

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I've been thinking about it again recently -

    Mine -

    1/2 - AJ/FURY - I don't think we know yet just how good either of them are, personally. I'll reserve judgment until after they fight.. But I think most would agree they are the top 2 in the world. Their achievements in comparison to each other are debatable.
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    3. Hunter - I think he beat Povetkin personally, most people had it 7-5/8-4 to him. But he got at least a draw vs a better looking Povetkin than the one that beat Whyte. Doesn't matter what you assume Whyte would do on another night. Since dec 2019, no one has achieved a result as impressive as drawing against 2019 Povetkin. Povetkin was ranked 3rd/4th after beating Whyte.

    4. Wilder - Dec 2019 he ko'd Ortiz, a good win, and better than anything anyone else below top 3 have achieved since then, and also had a belt for a long time.

    5. Olexander Usyk - Although his last fight was only against Chisora, I think Chisora has improved, and seeing as how he gave Whyte and Parker a much tougher fight, it makes Usyk's victory look more impressive. He didn't destroy Chisora, but won 9-3 in the rounds, and beat him far more convincingly than Parker or Whyte did. His talent is obvious, and look at those below and ask yourself if any of them have done anything recently enough to justify a higher position?

    6. Andy Ruiz - Putting him below the above because it's been almost 2 years since his last win at top 10 level vs Joshua, and since then has been pimp slapped easily by Joshua who won the entire fight with only his jab, has taken 16 months out, and almost got KO'd vs Arreola. He won on points in the end, but I expected a lot more from Ruiz for his first time back, against a 40 year old Arreola who's best win was Molina 9 years ago. But still, his win vs Joshua is still something no one else has achieved.

    7. Dillian Whyte - Regardless of how much I like him at times, I cannot put him higher than this. I rated him 3rd at one point, but realised how stupid I was. His last good win was against Oscar Rivas in july 2019, and I don't highly rate his win vs Povetkin either who wasn't even really fit to fight, and he didn't even look that good in it either, swinging wildly, losing the composure he had in the first Povetkin fight.

    8. Ortiz - Still think he'd do better against Chisora than Parker did, and proved himself top class vs Wilder twice, and I think there are others on this list that would struggle more vs Wilder than him. But seeing as he's 42 and not fought anyone of note for a while, cannot put him any higher.

    9. Parker - Cannot justify putting him any higher after his performances recently. He only just scraped a win vs Chisora, who many believe deserved a draw at the very least. I think he has the quality, and will improve under a new trainer, but hasn't done anything for too long to be considered higher.

    10. Joe Joyce
    - Looks a threat. Beat Dubois. Has a solid jab, great chin, and a title eliminator vs Usyk that Usyk is obviously nervous about.
     
  2. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ and Fury and the rest are either old or not that good.
     
  3. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure how the hell you can rank Hunter above Uysk seeing as Usyk already beat him comfortably? UD, and almost had Hunter out in the 12th.
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont think Hunter should be THAT high but he's still arguably a top 10
     
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  5. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    How long ago was that? And at what weight? - That's the reason.

    Just because Usyk did that at cruiserweight doesn't mean the same would happen again at Heavyweight.

    Hunters performance vs Povetkin was better than Usyk's performance vs Chisora. I'm going off recent performances.

    Hunter has looked more impressive at heavyweight than Usyk IMO.
     
  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It wasn't better. Hunter performed vs 40 y.o Povetkin not so well and this was a draw. Ofc some fans might suggest that old Povetkin should maybe had get robbed on cards vs Hunter?
    Hunter get a draw vs old Povetkin.
    If you are talking about how irrelevant are CW fights, then I do not know what to tell you.
    Hunter is small for HW like Usyk is and for sure both of them at CW were more mobile boxers.
    For the same old Povetkin I think to hit Hunter's CW version had been more difficult task than to hit his HW version.
    Povetkin at all is not only old, he is small for modern HW division.
    Okey, 222-224-225 lbs 40 y.o uncle Povetkin.
    CW dudes does have weight in weight <200lbs and a lot of them are heavier in the ring than these 200lbs.
    Yeah, I think very rarerly they are >220 lbs in the ring.

    CW division where Hunter and Usyk had competed then was stacked with not old top ranked boxers.
    Since they were not old, they were more mobile, with higher output and agility than 40 y.o Povetkin's version.

    If Hunter had lost close decision vs 30-36 y.o Povetkin, I had rated this higher than if he had won 37 y.o and older Povetkin.

    For fight vs Usyk Hunter even liked me, yeah, cos Usyk then was in real prime and very mobile.
    This Usyk version was difficult task to hit properly and he had higher output.
    Usyk btw does not looks at all so much bulked up at HW.
    Most likely he just does not use diet plan to maintain weight and does not do water cut. Just a bit heavier and also older.
     
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  7. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    1) AJ
    2) Fury
    3) Ruiz
    4) Whyte
    5) Wilder
    6) Parker
    7) Hunter
    8) Usyk
    9) Joyce
    10) Povetkin
    (Honourable mentions - Pulev, Ortiz, Hrgovic)
     
  8. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua
    Fury
    Whyte
    Ruiz
    Parker
    Joyce
    Hunter
    Wilder
    Povetkin
    Ajagba
     
  9. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1) Fury
    2) Joshua
    3) Wilder
    4) Usyk
    5) Whyte
    6) Joyce
    7) Parker
    8) Ruiz
    9) Hunter
    10) Povetkin

    Usyk is higher than i'd normally have someone based on gut - I think Usyk beats all in the list bar Fury, but can't have him higher than that until he proves it.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Has Hunter out-and-out ducked Hrgovic?
     
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  11. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would certainly appear to be the case, yes.
     
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  12. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Why the **** do people keep mentioning age, look at the actual fighter, 40 yo doesn't mean the same for everyone.

    The Povetkin that fought Hunter was still well in the top 10, and a much better fighter than Chisora. Hunter got at least a draw vs Povetkin, Parker got a lucky SD vs ****ing Chisora who's lost 11 fights, and many thought Chisora won.

    A 41 year old Povetkin still beat Dillian Whyte, who beat Parker who doesn't look like he's improved.

    Every scrap of logic dictates that Hunter's result vs 2019 Povetkin is better than getting a controversial win vs 2021 Chisora who many thought won.
     
  13. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know that most likely you did not had been in any kind of sport.
    I do not talk here about combat sport only, I don't know how old you are.
    If you are below 35 and do not have high physical workload at gym or work, you most likely just don't know what stuff is Father time.

    More than this: how many top level NBA or NHL etc players are older than 35?
    Do you know why goalkeepers in NHL usually last longer than other roles athletes?

    This is for a reason.
    Do you think that if age did not mattered any bare thing, they didn't had continued?
    In NBA no one punches you in the face. In tennis you even do not have close physical contact.
    In marathon or sprint no one beat you, so why there aren't large number with champs and medalists 35+?
    Isn't this for some reason?

    I don't talk about fighting sport only.
    To be top level athlete is young man's game.

    Yeah, he had been highly ranked by boxrec and boxing orgs.
    They use point system, ok, boxing orgs usually uses also ranking panel.
    The ring ranks with all resume and uses ranking panel with experts.

    So: Povetkin until he turned 38 y.o had only one decision loss vs then current champion in Wlad who then had been ranked very highly by multiple western pro boxing orgs and also boxrec.
    He had held multiple belts when he stepped in the ring vs Povetkin.
    Then next thing: Povetkin had beated some boxers ( I might list if you wish ) before! they had been beat by other top ranked boxers, including boxers like A.J and Briedis for example and not only these.
    Then: while over the hill Povetkin had lost vs A.J, again this was boxer with multiple belts and currently ranked in top.

    The reson why Pulev had been ranked so highly too most likely is because: yeah, he had been 33 y.o undefeated boxer who was not lighter than Witali and 38 y.o Witali beat him in 5 rounds.
    Now: Pulev had been as mandatory for A.J and this is despite he was 39 y.o .

    Okey, now Pulev had dropped in rankings more seriously cos he lost 2 nd title fight in row. IBF manadatory title fights 0-2 vs Wlad and A.J.



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    Sorry about things you call as logic.
    Proper body mechanics and power is last thing they can loss.
    While other things are reality.
    I do know how much more than reality boxers surnames matters for boxing fans.

    Povetkin?
    I had watched even am KBer in Povetkin, not alone pro versions.
    Povetkin fought at world top levels in ams and pros since he was 17 and when he was 37 I assumed that he should retire.

    You evalue fighters by surname, I more about their shape and actions even when they had won fights.
    Povetkin for me looked starting to go over the hill in 3 fights he had won before fight vs A.J.

    Maybe you are young lad, then I understand you, if you are 25 or 29 this doesn't change so much there.

    Of course if you do have high level skills, you might KO some ppl even if you are 65.

    The problem is that training too is workload, mileage accumulates and the older you get, the longer is recovery time after workload.
    Your body doesn't turns younger and Father Time is Undisputed.
    There ofc are also injuries and this all accumulates. Body gets older.

    High level athlete does have more workload than laborer and we do not see bunch with 45+ current champs in sport. Unlike laborers.

    This is for a reason.


    I'm a bit interested how old are you?





     
  14. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Fury
    2. Joshua
    3. Wilder
    4. Whyte
    5. Usyk
    6. Ruiz
    7. Joyce
    8. Parker
    9. Hunter
    10. Povetkin
     
  15. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Jesus Christ do you expect me to read all of that? Condense your thoughts, don't just vomit out an entire essay in response to a small comment and expect everyone to read it.

    What I'm saying is 40 years old means different things for different fighters, not everyone ages the same.

    Some fighters can carry on longer than others. That's the point I'm making. Look at the individual fighter and what they're capable of, not just their age and assume they're a lesser fighter because of it. Look their actual performances.

    41 year old Wladmir K would be rank 3 right now! When you hear 41 years old you automatically think "old", but it's not the same for everyone.