Who killed Sonny Liston???

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  1. arther1045

    arther1045 Member Full Member

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    People never get tired of conspiracy theories. It was an open and shut case, or else someone would have been charged or investigated. Do yo think anyone on ESB knows more then the people who looked at the evidence to start with. Just one more case of people always trying to throw conspiracies in whenever someone dies. Its tired crap.
     
  2. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Maybe the mob as I always hear about them being brought up once a conversation about Liston's death occurs but he was treated like crap the majority of his life and really didn't have any close friends. Of course he was married though.
     
  3. essexboy

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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've never heard of anyone saying they had seen him doing heroin. Then again, who would say such a thing? A couple of reasons why I think the odds favour it.

    1 - It was the rumour at the time. Not particuarly strong, granted, but this was the story that circulated right after his death, no stories of his being done in went out and about for a few years after that. Chuck Wepner: "I just heard he OD'd on drugs. Then, years on, years later, stories started to come out that they knocked him off."

    2 - Traces of heroin were found in his body at autopsy. This is controversial. Nobody can seem to agree to what degree this drug can be understood by a 1970's autopsy some days after death. But it's a matter of record that this drug was in his system at the time of his death.

    3 - Track marks noted during autopsy, on his upper arm.


    There is an alternative. Liston was drugged by some enemy and the track marks on his arm are expained by the treatement he received after some car accident in the run up to his death. But that's a reach for me.

    I think he used heroin, and it breaks my heart say it, but i'd specuate that Louis got him into it. I don't think he was addicted; I think he was fooling with it. All speculation.
     
  5. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    Wow...
     
  6. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The movie was just on BET network its called Phantom Punch
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of fighters messes with dope. Sonny was friendly with mob guys. Frankie Carbo and he were friends. Sonny was not a rat and never spoke about what happened in the Ali fight. What was done was done. Sonny had no fear for the Nation of Islam. There were a group close to Ali out of Newark Black Muslims that were drug dealers and under the eye of law enforcement Jerimiah Shabbez and the group.

    I think the fact that Sonny died with drug use kind of left Sonnys secret out of the bag and his secret was casual drug use.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Er, wow what?

    As in "Oh noes, that could never be true!"? :huh:huh
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats why he hauled ass out of the arena of the Ali rematch when rumors about the brotherhood were circulating regarding the fight, right? :lol::lol:

    What a cowinkydink. :lol:
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Re: Who killed Sonny Liston???

    Well, according to Floyd Mayweather senior...
     
  11. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont mean to undermine your post but where do you get that information from? well over 50 when he fought clay? thats just nonsense
     
  12. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Joe Louis introduced Liston to heroin? Could you share more details?
     
  13. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wasn't Liston one of the many who gave evidence at an inquest into mob involvement in boxing shortly before his death?

    I always thought this was the main conspiracy theory?

    He pointed the finger at some of the mobsters he had previously been involved with.

    Also apparently Liston's wife maintained he hadn't touched drugs for years at the time he died. She was away visiting her sister when it happened.

    Perhaps he decided to have a cheeky bit of scagg while she was away and overdosed after having been dry for so long?

    Perhaps the mob turned up to do it for him?!
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not really.


    Never happened.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Liston probably just had a heart attack. I dont know if the heroin killed him. One report says he had his pants around his ankles when he died. Maybe he had a hooker in there or he was masturbating.
    He was older than his official 38 years of age. And i dont think his diet and lifestyle stacked up to much, and he'd had a hard life. He may have been a professional athlete but if you're not training for years and you've been eating all that red meat and soul food and drinking whiskey, smoking cigars, nevermind the other drugs, the heart might just pack up one day. when you're ****ing or wanking.