Who MADE the fight: Froch or Dirrell?

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The thing is, when Froch 'made' the fight by walking forwards (by your definition) he actually didn't make much of anything even when he got there, because he wound up blasting fresh air. He had many opportunities to make something happen. I mean plenty of times he didn't even make a fight by hitting Dirrell's arms/gloves/body, he actually hit nothing. If Dirrell stood still and put his hands down I'm convinced Froch would have missed last night.
     
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  2. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is opposed to in the same way that "Is the car blue or green?" is opposed to "Is the car big or small?"

    How dumb do you think we are?
     
    JoeAverage, Oct 18, 2009
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  3. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, perhaps. However, that is besides the point.

    If people are saying that Froch didn't TRY TO MAKE the fight. They are wrong. Froch tried every second of every round. Did he succeed a lot? No.

    But did Froch or Dirrell try to make the fight? The answer imo. has to be Froch (whether he was effective or not is another question - and imo. he clearly wasn;t very effective).

    PS. Another point is that you are not giving Dirrell his due credits. You are saying that Froch couldn't even hit Dirrell if he stood still. Imo. he could and would. .. the fact that Froch missed most of his punches is Dirrell's credit. Dirrell has superb natural ability and made Froch miss - so I think you need to give him credit where credit is due.
     
    JoeAverage, Oct 18, 2009
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  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Dirrell tried for periods, and was mostly successful when he did particularly late on. Some of the best most exciting moments were from him precisely because he was effective. He could have 'tried' more for sure.

    Froch tried all the time, but when he actually got near to Dirrell he didn't achieve in making a fight, it wasn't Dirrell's fault Froch was inept and that hurt the fight just as badly.

    It's neither here nor there really, interesting discussion but I'm not sure it gets us anywhere.
     
    TFFP, Oct 18, 2009
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  5. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think we have an answer right here.

    "Dirrell tried for periods". and "Froch tried all the time".

    Done deal - good making business with you mate.

    PS. I still se it as Dirrell's doing. Froch did everything I expected. He wasn;t better or worse. Dirrell also wasn't better or worse. He answered a lot of question. His stamina was excellent and he easily went 12 rounds. However, he still has the Curtis Stevens modus operandi in him and that will give him problems. The style where he runs and runs and runs and hits - instead of hits and runs, hits and hits, hits and runs.. like a mayweather.
     
    JoeAverage, Oct 18, 2009
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  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I certainly agree Dirrell's balance between offence and what he considers defence is off and he'll need to resolve that quickly. I think it stems from the fact he can't fight inside, so he holds a lot and he's desperate to keep distance. If he learnt to fight inside in sparring he'd be a lot more confident.

    I think they both contributed to a bad fight last night. We could say that if Dirrell had of stood there and let Froch come to him all the time it would have been a good fight, but you could say that for any fight. That is a utopian world from a boxing fans perspective where every single fight is fantastic. It's not realistic.
     
    TFFP, Oct 18, 2009
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  7. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And yet you still clearly have an agenda with this kind of a thread.
     
    lzolnier, Oct 18, 2009
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  8. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    for real
     
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  9. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hoped Dirrell would have grown up for this fight. Because when he does (and one aspect is getting the balance between defense and offense right like TFFP correctly says) then he will be scary. He has ATG natural ability (yes, I think he has and I have put money on him to win the entire tournament). However, he will need to straighten out the balance between offense and defense if I am not to loose my money.

    Hopefully Dirrell matured last night and he should do the same for the coming fights - mature, that is.
     
    JoeAverage, Oct 18, 2009
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