Who made the most of the natural talent (or lack of )

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  1. Boxingldn

    Boxingldn New Member Full Member

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    Listening to a podcast abut Carl froch and his win over kessler and was thinking about his achievements in boxing compared to his natural ability. Andre dirrell has far more talent than froch but No heart for example. Yes I know froch won amateur silver medal btw

    Other examples I can think of are ricky hatton , I know some people will say his boxing skills were under rated but floyd exposed him really. But still ended up with over 30mil

    Another is David haye, I take the line from Jim Jampley talking about Roy jones jr, if the idea is to get in win as many fights take the least amount of punishment and make the most money , the David haye has done ****ing well for him self. David haye having around 15-20 mil proves he made the most of his talent.

    Any examples from America ?

    Kelly pavlik ?
    gatti?
     
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  2. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Marciano.......Best lack of talent/physicality to success ratio..
     
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  3. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bhop is probably the best example of someone who has maximised their talent. Not the most gifted like boxers such as Ali, RJJ or Mayweather, but the guy has been World Class throughout his career and is easily comparible to the best boxers in history.

    Just a few boxers that spring to mind that i think have failed to maximise their talent: Naseem Hamed, James Toney, Zab Judah, Chad Dawson, Tyson (later on).
     
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  4. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    Immense power, unrelenting stamina, solid beard,

    Seems to have had plenty of natural talent to me
     
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  5. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    tim bradley...the guy is all heart
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    :roll: bad answer. Freakish natural power in his right hand, super rock solid chin, unrelenting stamina, and incredible god given physical strength. those are all natural talents.
     
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  7. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think molina is way way way underrated....for me he is the 154 version of juan diaz

    i love seen his fights
     
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  8. Szeklerdude

    Szeklerdude New Member Full Member

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    Joe Frazier.

    athleticism= 0
    toughness= of the charts
     
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  9. uNF

    uNF Member Full Member

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    You're basicaly looking at all the Baldomir-clones, hardmen that have picked up a strap here and there and sold it for a payday.

    Never realy considered punch-resistance as a 'natural talent' either, it's a virtue to be able to take a shot, just not too many of them.
     
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  10. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    chavez.

    had a chin and left hook and made his way with grit, determination and an unwillingness to lose.
     
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  11. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    The name Froch screams out to me for some reason




    (probably that bloody Rachel woman again)
     
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  12. Suga

    Suga Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez. He is no Floyd Mayweather or any boxer with ridicolous gifts but he is certainly the smartest
     
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  13. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree Chavez is very intelligent and has demonstrated a vastly underrated defense.
     
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  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Joe Louis

    In an era where he was not supposed or allowed to do anything. Overcame it with skills.

    Had speech/social/mental "issues" in early schooling.

    Not the greatest height or reach.

    Not the greatest chin; he went down several times.

    Not very good foot speed (although his foot placement was very good).
     
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  15. AliShuffle

    AliShuffle Active Member Full Member

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    I think Froch is a good shout.
     
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