Who makes who the great fighter or a great trainer

Does a great trainer depend on the skill of the fighter he trains or does he elevate their skill. Does the fighter make the trainer, or does the trainer make the fighter?
Kevin Kelley, the popular former WBC featherweight titleholder who won 41 straight fights between 1988 and ‘94, told RingTV.com there’s no question the fighter makes the trainer.

“The fighter makes the trainer all day long," he said. "Without the fighter, the trainer has nobody. Without the fighter, who is the trainer? If it was true that the trainer made the fighter, why is it that after a trainer gets one champion or two champions or three champions, he can’t produce any more champions?”



Long-time manager Cameron Dunkin agrees, but with a caveat.

“The fighter makes the trainer and God makes the fighter, in my opinion," he said. "And you can see that by how many fighters win titles with fathers and guys who have never trained a pro fighter before and the kid goes off and wins a world title. But the difference is if you can get that fighter with a good trainer, what a huge difference it makes.

“(Top Rank matchmaker) Bruce Trampler used to say this to me all the time, and gosh was he 100 percent right about this. He said a great trainer will make your fighter five to 10 percent better, and a bad trainer will make your fighter 100 percent worse. A bad trainer can ruin a guy who was going to be a champion anyway. But a guy who’s going to be a champion anyway can be five or 10 percent better, and that’s a big difference.”

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I think it is probably 50/50 between both the fighter and the trainer

 

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“Romero was a world champion but you know what I know: After every fight, his face looked like someone beat him with a baseball bat," Dunkin said. "He blew everybody out early because I picked all the easy opponents, but once he reached the top level, if he didn’t knock guys out early, then over the rounds he’d just keep getting pounded and pounded.

“And he retired at like 26 years of age totally shot. How much better could he have been? He had so much ability I wonder how far he’d have gone if he had a Kenny Adams or Nacho Beristain or Jesus Rivero.”

The point: Some guys have so much natural ability they’re going to be champions no matter who trains them, but the right trainer can make them more than champions. Cameron cited the career of former world middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik, who has been trained throughout his career by Jack Loew.

“I always wanted Kelly with (Kenny) Adams because I think he would have been great,” Dunkin said. “Yes, Pavlik won the title. But those hard fights with (Jermain) Taylor and (Edison) Miranda, he gutted them out. But how good could he have been if he could have stepped to the side, used angles, moved his head, all those things Kenny teaches? My God, he could have been special. That’s what makes me sick.”