who moves up better, pep or saddler?

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  1. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    both legit atg's. neither made a serious effort to move up in weight(not that they had to or to knock them for not doing it), who could have had more success at lw+?

    pep - defensive minded guys often move up well, but he was happy inside too and the trouble pep had with saddler could mean he would be out muscled and worn down by bigger guys.

    saddler - would lose the physical advantages he had over 126ers
     
  2. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For the most part l think the bigger guy with power generally has more success moving up in weight than a defensive fighters, so l would pick Saddlers.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The reason both Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler didn't move up to challenge for the lightweight title was SIMPLE...A fellow by the name of Ike Williams ruled the lightweight Title and both Pep and Saddler knew they had no way to beat the bigger, stronger, harder puncher Ike Williams. I saw them all and even a Beau Jack would never be challenged by the featherweights Pep and Saddler. A bridge too far...
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

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    Pure gold Burt, pure gold.
     
  5. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that's true, plus they made decent money in their own division, but which guy do you think would be more succesful against lw's in general?
     
  6. burt bienstock

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    Depends on the lightweight they challenge. For example Willie Pep beat one of the best lightweight boxer of those days Willie Joyce who was not a hard puncher. But for Willie or Saddler to tackle a Beau Jack or Ike Williams who "uncuffed" was just a tad below Ray Robinson as a
    vicious puncher would be suicide for both of them. The same thing applied to Ray Robinson who would never tackle a LH puncher like Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles. Therefore he challenged Joey Maxim
    a light hitting light heavyweight who didn't punch harder than some MWs. SRR and Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler knew their limitations...
     
  7. kingfisher3

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    :good
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Saddler because he was bigger, Pep tried and got neutralised when he fought at LW, too small.
     
  9. Berlenbach

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    Saddler did have some success against bigger men. He KO'd three future lightweight champions in Joe Brown, Paddy DeMarco and Lauro Salas, and drew with a fourth, Jimmy Carter.
     
  10. LittleRed

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    Saddler was junior lightweight champ.for what it's worth.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Saddler stopped Paddy DeMarco and Terry Young he did better at LW.He is my confident pick.
     
  14. Zakman

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    Saddler - he was naturally bigger.
     
  15. burt bienstock

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