Who next for Usyk then?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DoubleG95Fanatic, May 19, 2024.


Who would you want to see him in with next?

  1. Fury Rematch

    64 vote(s)
    70.3%
  2. Dubois Rematch

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Parker

    9 vote(s)
    9.9%
  4. Winner of Wilder/Zhang

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  5. Hrgovic

    10 vote(s)
    11.0%
  6. Kabayel

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  7. AJ 3

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Winner of Ruiz/Miller

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Opetaia?

    3 vote(s)
    3.3%
  10. Bakole

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  1. roeknott

    roeknott 7.12.20 Full Member

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    Just my honest observations of it.
    And you are wrong, everything is debatable, that is what makes this sport that we love interesting.
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    If one guy outlands the other and lands the harder punches, that particular round is not debatable. You can't score the 8th round even. Nothing honest about it. Even the second round when one guy is out landing the other and all Fury was doing was clowning.

    Scoring is subjective but not that subjective.
     
  3. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    Retire. The man is 37 and has done it all in the sport, bow out on top wealthy and with your health intact.
     
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  4. roeknott

    roeknott 7.12.20 Full Member

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    How can you say i can't when i am being as honest as i can be, listen we all have our views and we comment on them, but please respect them without trying to enforce yours so i say OK you are right.
    Obviously we all see things differently to others and that is the best part, that is what makes it entertaining, but to actually state that he broke his nose won him a round is nonsense, the damage done is irrelevant, it is the actual punches landed that counts.
     
  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I am being respectful. He landed more punches in round 8 and harder punches. We can agree to disagree.
     
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  6. Punchdrunk1

    Punchdrunk1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Usyk has got anything left to prove.
    I'd be happy to see him retire
     
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  7. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury Rematch then retire, his too good to go on a slide like past greats.
     
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  8. roeknott

    roeknott 7.12.20 Full Member

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    Absolutely fella, same back to you.
    But hey what a great fight, we all are right though, that's what makes these debates interesting...
     
  9. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member banned Full Member

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    That guy you're talking to has the worst scorecard I have ever seen in my life. You're being too respectful if anything
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Aside from the fact you scored an awful lot of even rounds, why are you scoring them 9-9 and not 10-10???
     
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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Fury rematch. Too much money left on the table for it not to happen.
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That adds up to 111 - 110 Fury.

    But I have no issue of your scoring of the rounds. There's no doubt that Fury was doing very well in Rounds 7, 8 and 10, until the end of the round when Usyk came on strong. What justifies scoring those even is that Fury controlled the vast majority of the round, while Usyk evened things up by how he ended the round.

    And in Round 10, it was for the most part a good bounce back round for Fury. He sort of shook off the cobwebs and started to re-assert himself towards the middle of the round, but Usyk left an impression on the judges in the final minute. In round 8, Fury being visiably bloodied towards the end surely left an impression on the judges and swung that round to Usyk. I think these rounds come down to how much value you put on finishing the round strong. It's easy to forget how close a round was when Usyk starts imposing his will in the final minute leaving a lasting impression.

    And if you value work rate, Fury threw a lot more punches than Usyk, a lot of them hit gloves, but Fury was working hard in there, while Usyk was more efficient. Usyk repeatedly gave away the first two minutes of rounds 7-11 whilst conserving his energy and was able to surprise Fury in the last minute leaving a lasting impression on the judges. But if you've concluded that the extent at which Tyson was winning the first 2 minutes was about equal to the extent that Usyk won the last minute (i.e. Usyk being more dominant in that last minute than Tyson was in the first 2 minutes, but less actual time of being more dominant) then it does even out.

    And I would say that you have a very strong argument for an even round in the 7th, where Tyson seemed to be in more control that round throughout than he was in Round 8 or 10. On the other hand, Usyk's onslaught at the end of Round 7 was quite impressive, maybe more impressive than how he finished the 8th or the 10th. All this of course is a balancing act, and most scorers tend to look for reasons to avoid even rounds, but it is refreshing to see you score so many even rounds, which illustrates how difficult to score many of those rounds were.
     
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  13. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    Retirement. Usyk has done it all, he has nothing else to prove. Rematch with Fury is the only fight that makes any sense, the only other option
     
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  14. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    What a sad list. The hw division is terrible.
     
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  15. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Zhang is 41 and has stamina for 5 rounds. Wilder has power in one punch and doesn't land it where he needs to, also he can't fight on the inside. No reason for Usyk to fight AJ again. Maybe Parker with the run he's had since Joyce.
     
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