Who of the following would you favor to beat Usyk?

Pac
Inoue

That's about it.

 

Joe Frazier 100%

if Breidis and that slow plodder Chisora applied pressure in spots that caused him tons of problems he's going to be in deep hell against Frazier. Usyk also hates body shots and Frazier was best at pinning fighters down and working the body

Usyk potentially beats Ali. If Ali is prime like in he was in the later 60s he can take it. Bellew was outboxing Usyk and Ali has better headmovment, a far better gas tank and quicker hands and feet but the southpaw stance will give him trouble. H2H Usyk vs Ali is 50/50.

Usyk probably beats everyone else and i favor him to do so relatively easily although Foremans pressure would be very dangerous for the early and mid rounds and he could score a KO against Usyk

 

Left hooks can also cause some southpaws issues. Not particularly Usyk though. But it's mainly the pressure and bodywork that will give Usyk nightmares

 

By modern standards, lot of the guys on the list would be cruisers today.

I'd favor Ali for his speed and boxing skills. I'd favor Fraizer slightly because of his style.

Foreman was too slow and lumbering. Liston doesn't have enough skills. The rest are too small and they won't be able to get near Usyk.

 

A prime Sonny Liston.

I think Liston hits hard and throws good body shots which might slow Usyk down and make him more apprehensive to get closer. Usyk's speed shouldn't be too much of a problem for Liston because he has great timing.

It won't be an easy fight but i think Liston's toughness will probably play the major role in beating Usyk.

Usyk as great as he is will end up being overrated with recency bias. He's elite i get that but i think people might be getting carried away.

I think ultimately toughness and durability will play the major roles in beating Usyk.

 

A lot of the older boxers were taking punches from hard less advanced boxing gloves.

I compared an old everlast 10 oz glove from the 70s to a 10 oz glove from today and the weight difference stood out. The glove shape was curved also so i imagine being hit with one might lead to more cuts and more thudding shots.

I'm not saying that matters if Usyk fought any of the old timers but it might change the dynamic of the fights a bit.

The gloves today are way more comfortable and feel like they're more optimal for hand movement.

 

LOL

 

Again against Briedis he had the worst camp and switch trainers after that fight, cause he waant happy. And he still won that fight by quite some margin. As far as Chisora, his own words that he trained very little for that fight, had a hard COVID prior and had a arm injury that require a surgery he undergo. So there is an explanation for his poor performance in this 2 matches even he tho won them both.
And Chisora weighted over 115kg in that fight, its 5cm taller and like 15kg heavier than Frazier, so good luck with that.

As far as Bellew outboxing Usyk, this is next level nonsense. Some people need to stop listening to british commentators.
And while Bellew did rise to the occasion in that fight i had him winning just 1 round, and score 2 of the rounds even. And the guy was KTFO almost out of the ring in the 8 round.
This wasn't close fight at all, so some people should stop dreaming.

And again people should stop comparing X or Y fighter in that manner, aka this:
Oh X guys will beat the Y guy, because in Z fight, the Y guy didn't perform very well, against a certain style fighters(i guess people totally forget that everyone can have a bad night, and a bad camp as well), and magically for that sole reason the X guy will beat the Y.
Or throwing/showing the best attribute/fights of X guy as an argument, and showing the worst of Y.
And the other thing is compare an absolutely prime of X fighter, to out of prime of Y fighter.

For me, and for everyone that watch Usyk closely, and have an eye for it, Usyk is already past his prime, damn he was past his prime like 2 years ago.
Last time Usyk was truly in his prime was in the Gassiev fight. Take that Usyk, and very few people in the history will beat him.
Usyk very well may lose his next fight/s, but he is 35, had a big family and he is a family guy, and it's not all boxing anymore for him.
Just looking at the numbers will show you that. He throws way less now, and pace him way more, compare to before, and he just doesn't move like he did before, as well as his reflexes are not as sharp.

Let's compare Frazier and the rest at 34-35 against Usyk at the 35, should we?
Oh Frazier retired at what 33 years for quite some time ....
Frazier is 1.82 with reach of 185, Usyk is 1.91 with 198 reach, the fight would be quite easy for Usyk.

 

Wlad
Vitali
Povetkin
Ibragimov
Chaggy
Lewis
Dempsey
Marciano
Gene Tunney
Breidis
Gassiev
Lebedev
Cunningham
Peter Haye



All have a chance at beating Usyk.

 

Chisora is also slower than Frazier, sloppier, far less in the gas tank and his head movement is abysmal compared to Fraziers. And Frazier is 10 times the inside fighter and aggressor that Briedis is

Pressure fighters give Usyk the most problems. Usyk beating Joshua again and schooling Fury would not convince me that Usyk beats Frazier because both fight nothing like Frazier.

I've seen all i need to see from Usyk to input my opinion on this fantasy match up because Usyk is not getting any better. He will only decline at this point

 

You are overrating Frazier big time now. The reality is most of the old time Champs won't stand a chance against the current. It's just a different sport now. So many things are different, and that's why i find it silly to make certain comparison.
Frazier will lose to plenty of nowadays boxer, and he doesn't have a chance against Usyk, zero.
And i don't need to convince you or anyone at anything. Anyone can fantasy/dream as much as they would like.
It's all about opinion on here.
Frazier is way too small for today HW, damn he is small for the CW, which speaks volume. And you are overrating his ability big time.
He doesn't have fast feet, and he doesn't posses the needed physical attribute to give Usyk problems at all.

 

I think that's a good point and pretty accurate that a pressure fighter with good boxing ability would be tough for Usyk to deal with.

I'm not sold Usyk deliberately looking bad against Chisora (i don't think he looked bad personally) to get a bigger fight. I just think he boxed well but showed vulnerabilities when it became more of a brawl on the inside and he didn't particularly like being leaned on. On paper his movement should be enough to stop the bigger Fury from leaning on him but he couldn't stop Chisora from doing so. He beat Chisora clearly but he did look a bit more vulnerable than usual.

I'm not sure Usyk is faster than Floyd Patterson but he has better movement and timing. Usyk brings unconventional elements to his conventional boxing skills. His side to side movement and timing is brilliant. He anticipates and reads his opponents extremely well which i think is a rare quality.

I think you have to keep him in the oven as Teddy Atlas would say. Keep him cooking by increasing the pressure and throw some hard shots in the mix. It's easier said than done, though.