Who performed best in defeat to Sergio Martinez: Darren Barker or Matthew Macklin?

DemolitionDan · Mar 18, 2012

"Baker" did. Barker didn't get hit nearly as much, and did land a few jabs on Martinez and gave him a little blood. Martinez didn't even look like he was in a fight after the Macklin fight.

PityTheFool · Mar 18, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

Barker. Huge props to Macklin though.

Face it, the British domestic scene is amazing.... :hey

We have Mighty Martin Murray, and Kerry the great white Hope :tong
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Wonder how the German guy would feel about Georgie Groves.:think

SJS19 · Mar 18, 2012

IntentionalButt said: ↑

This is interesting:

Boxed Ears told me that he scored the 7th only 10-9 to Macklin, feeling that Martinez was dominant enough throughout the round to stave off the two-point swing of a 10-8.

:think

I did think Martinez was on his way to clearly winning the round at the time of the "knockdown", but I'm not sure he was quite dominating Macklin in such a way as to prevent 10-8 scoring. Usually that's reserved for severe bell to bell drubbings. (the kind where more faint-of-heart officials might be on the verge of jumping in)

Had I gone with BE's convention there, my card would have been even wider. 98-92 entering the 11th, and 108-99 afterward.
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I don't think he seriously hurt Macklin in that round, maybe it's just me but to claw it back to a 10 - 9 after a knockdown; the guy has to hurt his opponent.

PityTheFool · Mar 18, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

I don't think he seriously hurt Macklin in that round, maybe it's just me but to claw it back to a 10 - 9 after a knockdown; the guy has to hurt his opponent.
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I put most of my winnings from Kell on Sergio on points with a fiver on the 10th as a pillow.
Silly me.atsch

IntentionalButt · Mar 18, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

I don't think he seriously hurt Macklin in that round, maybe it's just me but to claw it back to a 10 - 9 after a knockdown; the guy has to hurt his opponent.
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That seems a sound policy.

SJS19 · Mar 18, 2012

PityTheFool said: ↑

I put most of my winnings from Kell on Sergio on points with a fiver on the 10th as a pillow.
Silly me.atsch
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Tell me that wasn't based on another of my predictions :-( I put it all on Sergio to win by any method, didn't make much more but it looked pretty safe

Kingkazim · Mar 18, 2012

IntentionalButt said: ↑

How incredible is it that the 37 year old had the stamina to easily outlast the 29 year old? (yeah, yeah - he cut his teeth on endurance sports like bicycling and soccer before transitioning to boxing...still. He's thirty-SEVEN...)

Yeah, it's subjective - and I can see why people gave shares to Macklin for his aggression, work rate and body shots...just to me they never really provided enough of a counterbalance to all the flush lefts that Martinez was zapping him with while pot shotting on a roundly basis.
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Its very impressive indeed, he is one of my favorite fighters due to his dedication to the sport!
I had Martinez ahead in the fight by at least 3 points but Macklin pushed him in the first 5. The 7th was a Martinez round before a knockdown, and boy did that **** Sergio off making him turn loco in the next 4 rounds

PityTheFool · Mar 18, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

Tell me that wasn't based on another of my predictions :-( I put it all on Sergio to win by any method, didn't make much more but it looked pretty safe
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Nah,it was the only way to make it worthwhile.My boy put on the 11th AND 12th and he knows **** all.Never even told me and I put him onto our bet and he doubled his £40.I'd have picked the same for fear of him making me look bad.:-(
****in serious lack of gratitude if you ask me.:bart

IntentionalButt · Mar 18, 2012

Drew101 said: ↑

I actually gave Macklin and Barker the same number of rounds, 4.

But two of the rounds that I have to Mack could very easily have gone to Martinez (4 and 5); I only gave Mack those two stanzas because Sergio seemed content to glide around the ring and throw a single punch at a time, for the most part. As I recall, Barker won his rounds more clearly than Mack did (1st and 7th excluded).

Also, a question to ask is which version of Martinez was better, and I think the answer to that would have to be the version that fought Barker. That version through more punches throughout the fight, and seemed more alert from the opening bell. The version that fought Mack seemed almost apathetic at the beginning of the fight, and really only woke up once the kd was called against him in the 7th.

So, I think Barker just edges it, taking those intangibles into consideration.
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So then you must have actually had Macklin with a higher score and narrower gap to cover than Barker on the ten-point must system (where the "closeness" of rounds is immaterial) due to the knockdown - unless you opted to give Macklin the 7th only 10-9.

People have claimed that Martinez "looked like ****" both nights, but IMO you are correct and his activity was more substantive last October than last night. :thumbsup

IntentionalButt · Mar 18, 2012

Drew101 said: ↑

I actually gave Macklin and Barker the same number of rounds, 4.

But two of the rounds that I have to Mack could very easily have gone to Martinez (4 and 5); I only gave Mack those two stanzas because Sergio seemed content to glide around the ring and throw a single punch at a time, for the most part. As I recall, Barker won his rounds more clearly than Mack did (1st and 7th excluded).

Also, a question to ask is which version of Martinez was better, and I think the answer to that would have to be the version that fought Barker. That version through more punches throughout the fight, and seemed more alert from the opening bell. The version that fought Mack seemed almost apathetic at the beginning of the fight, and really only woke up once the kd was called against him in the 7th.

So, I think Barker just edges it, taking those intangibles into consideration.
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IntentionalButt said: ↑

So then you must have actually had Macklin with a higher score and narrower gap to cover than Barker on the ten-point must system (where the "closeness" of rounds is immaterial) due to the knockdown - unless you opted to give Macklin the 7th only 10-9.

People have claimed that Martinez "looked like ****" both nights, but IMO you are correct and his activity was more substantive last October than last night. :thumbsup
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CompuBox appears to support us:

Total Punches--- Martinez--- Barker
Landed------------- 206---------- 155
Thrown------------- 691---------- 408
Pct.------------------30%--------- 38%

Total Punches--- Martinez--- Macklin
Landed------------- 183-------- 135
Thrown------------- 437-------- 461
Pct.----------------- 42%------- 29%

He threw 254 more punches against Barker in the same number of rounds - putting in 58% more work!!

Damn. This also demonstrates that Darren was FAR more accurate than Matthew - landing twenty more while throwing 53 less.

floyd_g.o.a.t · Mar 18, 2012

I have to say both

SJS19 · Mar 18, 2012

IB, how high did that Sergio RBR get on your all time list?

IntentionalButt · Mar 18, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

IB, how high did that Sergio RBR get on your all time list?
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#9 all time at 1152 replies, although people are still bumping it today and it's within 6 posts of overtaking Chavez vs. Rubio for the #8 spot. :conf

Martinez vs. Barker wasn't even top 20, not even cracking 700.

I guess the whole Irish-blooded underdog on St. Patty's Day gimmick really does make a difference.

Drew101 · Mar 18, 2012

IntentionalButt said: ↑

So then you must have actually had Macklin with a higher score and narrower gap to cover than Barker on the ten-point must system (where the "closeness" of rounds is immaterial) due to the knockdown - unless you opted to give Macklin the 7th only 10-9.

People have claimed that Martinez "looked like ****" both nights, but IMO you are correct and his activity was more substantive last October than last night. :thumbsup
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Nope. Same score, because I did call round 7 as 10-9, not 10-8. An off-balance, flash variety touch down with the glove didn't negate the fact that Sergio did better work during the stanza, especially after the kd was called.

So Mack was up by a single point on my card after 7. But he didn't come close to winning another frame in the rounds that followed. So it was still 96-94 Martinez going into the 11th....same as it was for him going into the 11th round of the Barker fight.:good

ecdrm15 · Mar 18, 2012

Had it closer for Macklin initially. Barker had better d but Mac got Martinez hesitating

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