Who poses the most problems for Loma right now: Davis, Farmer, Berchelt, Commey, or Lopez

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mikey doesn't seem like he's going back down in weight regardless who wins between him and Spence. As of right now who would you say has the style to actually trouble Lomachenko? Tank Davis, Tevin Farmer, Miguel Berchelt, Richard Commey, or Teofimo Lopez?
     
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  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    lopez. his combination of strength, power and speed, make what loma does, much harder to do. nobody believes any of the fighters who made loma look human were better boxers than rigo. it was what lopez has in spades that made loma look human.
     
  3. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I could see all 3 posing serious issues in the future besides Farmer. Farmer's style is tailor made for Lomachenko. Counterpunchers who mostly fight off the back foot play so completely into Loma's hands its nightmarish for them. When Loma is coming forward, switching up angles with blazing speed and probing with both hands, varying the speed and power of his shots......... He is the best fighter I have ever seen at manipulating those exact type of boxers, essentially forcing the rhythm of the fight and trappingn them exactly where he wants them to be, at the distance he wants to fight at, and forcing openings for him to throw blazing amd precise combinations at with pinpoint accuracy. Basically if you are going backwards and planning to react to what Loma does, it's over before it started and he is gonna piece that dude up something fierce and they are either quitting on their stool or getting lit up and knocked the **** out.

    A huge length advantage over Loma is probably the best attribute you could have as a fighter, along with blazing hand and Foot speed, excellent upper body movement, or a come forward aggressive swarming style with a high guard who attacks the body and head.
    Out of the three who even have a chance to not look foolish, I think stylistically Berchelt poses the most serious problems to Loma and hes the only fighter of the three that is ready to fight Loma right now, as in he is at his peak right now and has a ton of experience. I think that would be a he'll of a fight.

    Tank with his explosiveness, power, and aggression absolutely has the tools to trouble Loma in the future. But just tools arent good enough, you need the intelligence, generalship, experience, and ctaftiness to be able to employ those tools effectively for them to be of any use against Loma. I'm curious to see(if they ever fight prime-prime) how Davis use of the crouch would work against Loma. My personal feeling is that it would play right into Loma's hands and he would have Tank dancing to his music, but maybe I'm wrong and Tank could possibly catch Loma in a bad position if he made a mistake(whrich contrary to popular belief, he does do) and catch him with a wicked counter. He definitely has the speed and explosiveness to make it a possibility. Davis is one of my favorite prospects, but IMO I dont ever see him beating a prime Lomachenko but I obviously could be wrong.

    Lomachenko's chin IMO is very underrated and not talked about too much on here, except in negative light. He has EXCELLENT awareness, vision, anticipation, and self awareness in regards to the openings he presents other fighters. And on top of all of those things, he has a thick strong neck, very strong legs, tremendous stamina, but most importantly he has the willingness to absorb any shot thrown at him and self confidwnce in his ability to take any shot. He's been down once as a pro but got right back up and didn't seem hurt in the least. Linares obviously isnt a murderous puncher, but he has blazing hand speed(faster than any of the 4 listed) and blazing foot speed(also faster than the 4 listed) along with excellent timing. All of that allowed him to be squared up with Loma when he threw that perfectly timed shot right when Loma and all his weight/momentum was coming forward and he caught him pin point on the chin. It was essentially the perfect counter and with all factors taken into the equation, that shot would have badly hurt if not totally sparked out almost any other fighter. People use that example as a case study of Loma having a bad chin, when in reality its the exact opposit IMO. I was amazed at the whole thing and it all happened so fast, I was so impressed by both fighters but man, Loma ate that, popped back up right away and LAID IT ON Linares from that point on. Even if you haven't boxed before, you have to know a shot like that(like a perfect home run swing in baseball) is generally deadly and good night type ****. The force of the shot aent him down but upstairs he was fully cognizant and in control of himself. THATS ****ING IMPRESSIVE. And then to go on and tune the dude up from that point forward....... Shows some great tangibles and intangibles.

    Lopez. Like Tank, he has an incredible combination of speed, power, and explosiveness. Let's just say if it was Lopez who caught Loma coming in like that, I think the affects would have dictated a totally different set of events, this kid has POWER and he is noticeably much bigger framed than Loma, hard to believe Loma takes that shot again but from Lopez instead and at the very least isnt hurt if not tucked into bed. Like Tank, I dont think he is anywhere near ready yet to compete with Loma right now. Just like Tank, he has some serious aces in the hole against Loma, I just dont think his intangibles, intelligence, generalship, ring craft, and experience are anywhere near where they would need to be to competitively fight with Lomachenko. Theres no rush, I love and respect the he'll out of his drive, confidence/****iness, and desire to fight the best out there right now. He and Tank have "SPECIAL" written all over them, it would be a massive shame to rush them into a situation/situations that either stunt or completely degenerate and destroy their potential. Boxing as a whole is so much better when talents like that are brought along correctly and develop into their peak potential.

    We have all seen Lopez speed, power, and explosiveness, but beyond that we havent seen too much and thats no fault of his own, his opposition thus far has just been so totally outclassed he hasnt had the chance to display a lot of his skills and conversely hasnt been able to develop much as a fighter for the same reason. Just like Tank, IMO -and like I said before I could be very wrong -- prime for prime I dont see Lopez faring well at all against Lomachenko. Ya, he has all the incredible gifts and tools o e could ask for, but when his checkers games instantly and unexpectedly turn into a chess match against a master chess player........ What happens/does he do? What happens when he gets in with someone and he can't simply blow them away on talent alone, and he needs to dig deep and pass a gut check? That's a big test he has to pass and question he needs to answer way before spwculating how he would fare against most people's p4p # 1 fighter. Hate to say it, but cases like this generally dont turn out in favor of the fighter with Superman like abilities. When you just steamroll all of your competition your whole life, you never have to adapt in fight, you never face adversity, and a lot of times it turns out guys like that have next to no toughness. Toughness is born out of necessity, from picking yourself up after you have fallen down, from facing serious resistance and being in levit danger but fighting through it and overcoming and adapting.

    So many people think good fighting skills/incredible natural gifts and athleticism/the ability to fight well = toughness. In reality they are two totally separate and very different things. Before Rigo and Walters fought Loma, if asked if they were tough dudes the general consensus woild have been almost unanimous that they were indeed very tough. Turns out they weren't(at that time) and they were just two incredibly gifted, naturally talented boxers that when finally faced with an enormous gut check, they folded like lawn chairs.
    In the US, UK, and Canadian militaries, they all have very specific and unbelievably tough assessment and selection programs for their special operations forces. Those programs are designed specifically to weed out all but the most driven, mentally and physically tough, and quickest thinking individuals that tried out. Those programs have all evolved over the years and have become better and more efficient every year since they began, and presently there are no better programs or tests in the world that are better or more efficient in singling out those very few but very special individuals who possess those most rare of traits. War is basically an incredibly accelerated, carnal, and savage version of life. So much from war and the military can be applied to everyday life in a positive way. And those three militaries -- the three best militaries in the world by quiye a margin -- say definitively that the rarest, most precious, and most sought after traits humans can have to succeed are drive, mental strength/toughness/fortitude/resilience, and the ability to think quickly and adapt to a changing situation as possible.

    When you look back at Lomachenko's entire life, his whole body of work in boxing -- from amateurs through present day -- those very rare and specific attributes shine through him brighter than any other boxer today, and probably more than most if not all other fighters in the past 40-50 years.

    Lomachenko is far from perfect and just as far from unbeatable, but with his own incredible athletic gifts, natural talent, and skills comboned with those intangibles, it's going to take a very special and specific boxer to beat him. Being physically outgunned badly is nothing new to him, even in the AM's he fought against world class, very gifted and skilled fighters who had a noticeably bigger frame and big height/reach advantages on him and trumped him in some athletic categories. He's been beaten -- twice in his entire life. He learned from each loss and became a mich better and smarter fighter because of them. He has also been in endless close fights that came down to the final bell, here he had to think quickly and adapt which he alwaus seemed to do. This dude is the epitome of SPECIAL and hea a once in a lifetime type talent and fighter.
     
  4. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol whos gonna read that:scared1
     
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  5. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol I know, right? I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. Looks like I overpaid like a mother****er.

    It is way too long bit if you have and take the time to read it, I promise their is very food analysis and some very good points made.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rigo was a vastly overrated pure boxer. His balance and footwork were basic and easily disarmable. Once you put him in a position he doesn't want to be in he shifts all his weight incorrectly and all he can do is hold and clinch. Hes really nothing special and never was in the pro ranks.
     
  7. elmaldito

    elmaldito Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Davis, lopez, Easter, Haney, Stevenson, balderas all coming for that ass.

    Right now Davis or lopez
     
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    elmaldito Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was just too small and inactive
     
  9. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd like to think that an on point Farmer would give Loma more issues than Pedraza. I haven't seen Farmer fight in a manner that makes me think he would beat Lomachenko though. Tank Davis is a midget. It would be along the lines of Loma vs Russell Jr., or Loma vs Rigondeaux, in that Loma's footwork will get him in and out of harms way. He could easily beat Davis by point fighting. Davis is a tubby little shrimp. Only way that Davis has a chance to beat Lomachenko is if Loma decides to stand in repeatedly. Not sure Berchelt is skilled enough. He didn't look anything like a 2019 version of a prime Jose Luis Castillo in his last fight. Castillo would have blew through that last guy that Berchelt was having a war with. Commey has power, but is far to crude, and primitive in skill for Lomachenko to not look spectacular. Commey is less skilled, and less coordinated than Nicholas Walters. Commey is easy work for Loma. The guy that looks like he might be able to give Lomachenko serious problems is Teofimo Lopez. I'd favor Lomachenko right now, as Lopez hasn't beaten anyone of note. He's kinda like Jarron Ennis in that he looks damn good fighting bums. There is a big talent gap between his best opponent and Lomachenko though.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 The Mercurial Malcontent Staff Member

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    Solid post, especially the stuff about Linares and Tank. I tweaked it a little though, by adding paragraphs, made it a little easier on the eyes.;)
     
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  11. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P Full Member

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    lopez and berchelt for me :ggg
     
  12. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol appreciate it buddy. As u can see I have a difficult time articulating my thoughts.
     
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  13. Zhuge Liang

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    Right now, probably Lopez. Mostly due to his size and build, but that's all. Don't think he will pose that many trouble for Loma. Experience and technical-wise, the gap between their level is quite big. Lopez never fought top-5 ranked boxers, let alone someone who is as agile, versatile and sneaky as Loma.
     
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  14. Dario Argento

    Dario Argento The exotic Waitress Full Member

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    Like your privates
     
  15. elmaldito

    elmaldito Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good one Dario......
    Like your boxing career, inactive or neverwas
     

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