Who punched harder Donovan ruddock or Ike ibeabuchi ?

As to the mileage thing, I'd sayTua got more out of his Ruiz KO, and to a lesser extent Rahman with his Lewis KO.

 

Yes Ruddock lost to Tyson and Morrison. The ex champions I was referring to were Smith and Dokes, both were hefty 6'3 bonafide heavyweights well over 210+ lbs. That's more meaningful when asking "who hit harder", both opponents had the credentials of weight as well as experience at the world level.

The main point I was making was that Ruddock's power worked at the world level against world class heavies win lose or draw. It worked when he blasted out two ex champs, it worked when he put Morrison on the canvas and it worked when it visibly rocked a prime Tyson (even if he lost that fight, he was the only person other than Douglas and Tucker who managed to actually hurt Tyson). He also has a highlight reel of brutal KO's on his way to the top sparking guys out who were well over 200+ lbs.

Ike'e one and only world class knockout begins and ends with Byrd who debuted at 169 and was nearly 40 lbs lighter than Ike. A good opponent to be fair, but very undersized and lacked the power to keep Ike off of him like Morrison, Tyson, Smith, etc. I am not trying to be overly critical, I'm aware his career was cut short. But in this case we have to give the benefit of the doubt to ruddock based on the fact he simply demonstrated more.

Am I being too dogmatic and narrow minded here?

 

I didn't say it was meaningless. But one way to demonstrate power is to stop a guy who doesn't often get stopped. The fact Byrd was so much smaller combined with the fact he got stopped 3 other times makes it a little less noteworthy.

Well the Tua win was a little controversial and could have gone either way.

And I was referring to people he had knocked out or dropped. Byrd is inarguably Ike's best KO.

Well even that's debatable honestly. Ike had an incredibly short peak that got cut short and never became champ. Ruddock was the Canadian champ, beat 3 former champs, and was the #2 contender in the world avoided by many people.

Agreed, he was seemingly destined for greatness. But this was part of my problem with Ike, or at least people putting him on a pedestal. They are hyping up what he "could" have been rather than what he actually did in the ring..

 

Razor

 

I completely agree that Ruddock hit harder. I said this from the beginning. I said that the total times Byrd was stopped in his career does not prove much-it is a credit to anyone's power to stop Ruddock, who was stopped more often.
Ike was 36 lbs. heavier than Byrd-although as the announcer says before they enter the ring, he was a little too heavy against Byrd.
If more fit, it would have been ~ 26 lbs.

You said what was Ike's inaguably best victory. If you meant stoppage, then it was Byrd.
I watched the Ike-Tua fight on TV at the time, & like most people, I cannot give it to Tua when Ike won more rounds & landed more punches-most of them power shots! Wikking the early rounds mae the difference.

It is certainly debatable if Ike was better than Razor.
I just think that based upon accomplishments & demonstrated skill, that Ike was better than him.
Part of the reasoning is that Tua could land so many solid shots on him & not take him out-more than he hit anyone else with.
Whatever Tua's flaws, he had huge power.

I think Ike showed enough to say he was easily a World Class HW. For his short career I find him better, including head to head, than Ruddock.
Ruddock IF he stuck to boxing & did not rely on the smash might have been better.

 

Well those are two different conversations.

I agree Ike was world class. He beat two world class opponents.

I agree he was a better overall boxer and more of a threat h2h than Ruddock with his better stamina, work rate, and 2 fisted power with a more measured pace.

I'm simply saying Ike knocking out a feather fisted guy 36 lbs lighter isn't enough to convince me he hit harder than Ruddock who was blasting guys out with 1 big hit on a frequent basis-- including 2 ex champs.

I'm aware you already agreed Ruddock hit harder I was just explaining my reasoning for why you have to give him the benefit of the doubt with way more footage and larger opponents.

 

As with most comparisons involving Ibeabuchi, it's usually the other, more proven party, who is favored, based on having shown us more.

No exceptions here. I would have to go with Ruddock.

 

All good Magoo. You're still one of the best.