Who ranks higher all-time: John Ruiz or Vitali Klitschko?

Holy at age 40 had a torn rotater cuff against Byrd and didn't quit, Quitaly quit because he was tired and Byrd was starting to come on strong, as for LL, vitaly had a shot out of shape guy in front of him who was even in worse shape than he was for Rahman in the first fight and Vitaly still lost. If he was really as good as you think he is he would have dominated shot LL the way real greats do against shot fighters like Rocky did Louis, Tyson did Holmes, Holmes did Ali, Holy did Foreman, or Lewis himself did Tyson.

 

Whatever Vitali's faults, at least he was a legitimate champion who beat his opponents with his superior abilities - not by cheating and corruption!!

 

By resume: Ruiz

Head-to-head: Vitali (by early KO)

 

Actually his ring title is questionable.....what were the special circumstances under which he was allowed to fight #3 for it?

 

Ruiz has a more impressive resume and Vitali has always reminded me of Razor Ruddock, someone who made there name off of a loss and that gets you nowhere

 

Those who know of boxing will know that Vitali was simply a cut above Ruiz

The boxrec junkies might argue differently in 10 years

 

Vitali is obviously more talented the Ruiz. And a **** lot more entertaining. But when it comes to accomplishments, they are pretty close. Vitali was the ring belt (which I believe was given to him prematurely), but Ruiz has the better wins and title defenses.

 

ruiz. yea Vitali was procactly a better fighter (though he never really had a chance to prove that), but ruiz has wins over better comp

 

Excessive holding is against the rules, people. Don't just look at the record, look at the rule book.

And faking low blows is one of the lowest things you can do in boxing - and Ruiz has done this MULTIPLE times, in several fights!! atsch

 

I just LOVE how all these people just look at the names on Ruiz's record, and assume that because he shared a ring with some recognizable names he's any good!atsch

Apparently they are not aware of what an utter fraud Ruiz is - a glorfied clubfighter who would never have sniffed contention, let alone "won" some paper title, if it weren't for Don King. :-(

From the moment King manuevered Ruiz into contention, and he started facing decent fighters, he began to hold excessively and fake low blows. And the King-influenced refs turned the other way and let him get away with it. What a DISGRACE!

 

**** Ruiz. I'm not going to pretend to be unbiased, but I still have some facts on my side:

1) When was Ruiz ever thought of as "the man" at Heavyweight? As much as I see people holding it against Vitali, I can't remember at any point in time where Ruiz was the universal #1.

2) Losses. Ruiz is the only Heavyweight "champ" in history to have lost to 2 former middleweights. He also was the only one I've ever heard of knocked in 19 seconds. Vitali's losses were against better competition, and much more closely contended.

3) Dominance in wins. Vitali beat his competition (which was not that much worse than Ruiz's) in much more dominant fashion.

 

Not only that, he did it WITHIN the rules.:yep

 

Exactly :good

 

any objective person will say ruiz

 

actually even looking at records, Vitaly trounces Ruiz

17s KO loss to David Tua!

wtf

beaten by Roy Jones

beaten by Toney

beaten by Valuev

knocked down twice by Golota

Holyfield was clearly shot when they went life and death 3 times.

and his early losses against total nobodies.

Vitaly lost twice only, to Byrd in a fight he dominated and to Lewis


I dont see how anyone could say Ruiz