Who ranks higher all-time: John Ruiz or Vitali Klitschko?

it's fun to hate on vitali, but what are ruiz's best wins??? golota (should've been a loss and that version of golota wasn't near best) rahman (forget fight but that guy's clearly beatable) oquendo (very close boring fight ok win) holyfield (2001 version not that great) and dq win over kirk johnson????? looks like some questionable wins versus b/bplus level comp


at least vitali actually clearly beat fighters of the above calibre: kirk johnson (blow out) corrie sanders, hide, donald...and anyone with any knowledge knows he was beating byrd soundly and gave lennox lewis all he could handle... i'll take vitali's resume (throw in the overall ko percentage) by a wide margin and head to head it's not even close

 

Rather sad, actually, that these two are two of the four best of their era and they have such disputable wins over often questionable opposition. Same with Byrd, actually.

 

King really put a hurting on the HW division for a few years.

 

Vitali was probably the better fighter.

But Ruiz has the better, and may I add a very underrated record. One of the best in the HW division over the last few years.

 

Exactly. Well put.

 

Vitali knocked people out. That's what heavyweights are supposed to do. Ruiz won by let's say questionable means. I think its important to evaluate the manner in which a boxer wins and that's where Ruiz really comes up short.

Vitali was considered the number 1 hw and was Ring Champ, Ruiz was not.

Since Lewis:

1-Wlad-Universally ranked #1, best opposition, dominant
2-Vitali-Ring champ, ranked #1, dominant
3-Byrd
4-Brewster
5-Ruiz

 

For those of you who say Ruiz record is so good, why don´t you look it up on boxrec.com

The losses against Sergei Kobozev, Danell Nicholson, David Tua, past it Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones, James Toney, Nikolai Valuev and finally Ruslan Chagaev, are nothing to brag about.

Ruiz also got a gift decision over Golota, who put him on the deck in their fight as well as a gift draw against Holyfield.

Ruiz´s best wins were against a pretty faded Holyfield an out of shape Rahman and a lousy DQ against Kirk Johnson.

Ruiz´s resume is nothing much.

 

And what does that say about Vitali that this is still debatable?

 

John Ruiz is still the HW champion in my eyes.

 

herbie hide?

 

ruiz has a better resume, vitlays claim to fame is losing to an old unprepared lewis, and the best fighter he beat are danny williams and fat kirk johnson.

 

Debatable to you maybe, most would find the comparision stupid.

 

Bingo. The "how" Ruiz "won" is critiical, and when it is factored in that he won by questionable means, it is no contest. This really shouldn't even be debated.

Ruiz = glorified clubfighter with questionable "wins" and many losses.

Vitali = top level world class HW with clear-cut victories and only two losses, both to top level comp.

This is really a no-brainer, people! :yep

 

Ruiz, he achieved a lot more than Vitali, beat the better names and actually had a reign, which is more than you can say about the ukrainian.
People who vote for vitali dont know **** about boxing, and is blinded by the klitsko hype and spin, there are polluting this forum......