Who ranks higher all-time: John Ruiz or Vitali Klitschko?

Ruiz, the best heavyweigh tof his era? Ewwwwww

 

I believe just like most fighters, Ruiz was positioned and given a chance at a title, due to him allowing King to guide and control his career. Although he did have some sketchy fights, he did have quite a few fights that proved to me, he was capable of competing with the top guys, not that thats saying much. His holding is no worse than Holyfields headbutts, Lennox Lewis excessive holding and leaning on the back of his opponents necks, and the same for Wladmir Klitschko. Sam Peter hits his opponents on the back of their head in clinches, Tyson elbowed, Bowe hit off the break. They all cheat and foul, but alot of times the more exciting fighters fouls are overlooked. I dont like Ruiz, dont like his style, but he proved to be effective, and successful as a heavyweight, and Vitali will never come close to his accomplishments, like them or not, and thats the question of this thread.

 

I haven't read the tread (god help me if I had too) but I agree with this comment. In terms of fighting styles and perhaps even skill, I like Vitali way more than Ruiz, but in terms of actual accomplishments, I reluctantly have to give the edge to Ruiz. Strangely enough I would probably have had a different opinion if Vitali had actually beat a past prime Lewis.

 

Ruiz is a crafty boxer but I can't stand his "fighting not to lose" style back when he held a belt.

 

Ruiz is a fraud and the poster boy for the type way fraudulent decisions and corrupt promoters can ruin the sport. Vitali's potential was unrealized by waiting too long to step up his level of competition, but at least his wins were convincing and clear cut and he always disposed of his opposition clearly and within the rules, and his losses were both fights where he put on a good display against credible opponents

The Boxrec warriors/Klitschko haters will tell you it's Ruiz because they ignore the circumstances surrounding the way Ruiz "won" and the the way he got title paws in the belt in the first place. They also ignore the fact that he was humiliated not once but twice against former middleweight champs and got KTFO in 19 seconds in the prime of his career, to say nothing of his other numerous losses

If you ignore all the circumstances surrounding his ascension and ignore all his losses and go strictly on what boxrec lists as victories, then you can say Ruiz was better. If you actually watched the two of them fight, take losses into account and not only who they lost to but how they lost, and understand the circumstances that allowed the Ruiz Fraud to take place then it's not even close, Vitali clearly comes out on top.

 

This is the biggest bunch of horse**** I have ever read.:good

Ruiz accomplishments outweigh Klitschkos ten times. Remember Klitschko lost to Lewis and Byrd, the two best fighters he faced, regardless of what you think might have happened had the fights continued, which is pure speculation.

Like the champion emeritus never got any special treatment from the promoters and sanctioning bodies? yeah right

 

Ya but he beat Holyfield, and that's really gotta hurt...:rofl

The shame of it all. Poor ol Holyfield lost to a fraud.

 

Not without Ruiz faking "low blows" to avoid being counted out. Not the last time he'd pull that stunt either.

Shotgun said it all - when ALL the factors are taken into account, there is no comparison. Ruiz couldn't carry Vitali's jockstrap - or that of any other decent fighter who fought WITHIN the rules, for that matter.:yep

 

So you dont think Johnsons low blows were legit? I likened them to Golotas against Bowe. He was trying to get out of the fight from pure frustration. He was led to believe by his promoters that he would simply outclass Ruiz by showing up, and that wasnt the case. By mid fight he was frustrated fouling and was dropped by a clean right hand from Ruiz. The eventual stoppage was a relief to him I believe.

 

Ruiz overacted on several on those shots - a stunt he pulled at least twice before it, in the Holyfield fight, Evander put him on the canvas with a body shot, Ruiz hammed it up to get a "low blow" call. He'd done it before against Jimmy Thunder.

One fight, you could maybe excuse, but THREE. That's a planned, and repeated, strategy. He didn't employ it as much as excessive holding, but it was surely his fallback approach.

When you don't have the skill to compete at the world-class level, you have to be creative - I'll give Ruiz that. It doesn't make it right or justified, however.

 

The two best fighters EITHER fighter faced. Out of all of the fighters who beat either Klitschko or Ruiz, these are the two best.

 

John Ruiz is the only heavyweight titlist in over 100 years to lose to a former middleweight, and he did it TWICE, against two different fighters

Vitali lost to Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd. Aside from Holyfield, John Ruiz lost to Roy Jones, James Toney, was KTFO in under 20 seconds by David Tua (who also lost to Lewis and Byrd by the way, and much more convincingly than Vitali did :yep), Valuev, Chagaev, as well as elite level opponents like Kobozev and Doc Nicholson. And that's not even bringing up the half dozen or so highly controversial "wins" he has an his record.

And you're talking **** about Vitali losing to Lewis and Byrd? You said something about horse ****? Only an all out nitwit would hold Vitali's losses against him in an argument defending John Ruiz, given who they lost to, how they lost, and how many times they lost

 

Ruiz's resume seems better than Vitali's and he ranks higher all time.

 

Id say Vitali, his performances were in much more superior fashion.

 

If we are going on talent....then its Vitali. If its accomplishments, resume, etc....its Ruiz, and its not even close.