Who ranks higher all-time: John Ruiz or Vitali Klitschko?

Exactly. That boxing fans give this fraud ANY credibility, after he cheated THEM, as well as his opponents, is sad.:yep

 

John Ruiz was the first latino heavyweight champion ever. Vitali never won a title and had a premature retirement. There's no comparison.

 

Every fighter has losses to lesser fighters. Yes Ruiz lost a few times. So did Vitali. It's WINS that move you on the ATG list.

 

OK...now look at who each BEAT and get back with me. :good

NO matter how you spin it, or what excuses one might want to use. Ruiz has the greater wins. And that is what makes you great.

 

Easily VK.

Ruiz will go down as the fraud that he was.

 

Ruiz has better accomplishments in he’s career so I think he will be remembered as a greater fighter.

It’s also funny how same people discredit Ruiz because of he’s lose against Toney but in other threads don’t give Toney credit for the win because they don’t see that win legimate.

 

Ruiz got his butt handed to him by two blow up middle weights, KTFO in 18 seconds by TUA, and decisioned by two non top ten fighters. If that isn't enough, he was beaten by Valuev, and Chagaev. Valuev doesn't look to be that good. I could care less if Ruiz should have won the Valuev fight 7-5, it is payback for what Ruiz has done. Chagaev's legacy is not set, but he did beat Ruiz.

While Ruiz won some matches, he did it by excessive mugging and fouling, and under the protection of Don King Judges and referee’s. There is no way Ruiz should rank higher than Vitlai Klitshcko. Vitali was far more convincing in victory and defeat.

 

You realize Klitschko was the WBC and Ring Champion right? So, I would not say he never won a title. atsch

 

Vitali only ever fought 2 world class fighters and lost to both of them though.

 

Im not holding his losses against him Im just pointing out that he LOST in the two marquee fights he was in. Ruiz on the other hand fought more top level fighters and actually beat some of them! It doesnt really matter who he lost to, just like it doesnt matter who Klitschko lost to, but the question is who ranks higher all time, and only a fool would say Vitali accomplished anything close to what Ruiz has. Vitalis claim to fame other than the LOSS to Lewis, is fighting Corrie Sanders, a fighter who came out of retirement to knock out his brother, for the vacant WBC title. Now someone is going to tell me that wasn't a prefabricated ranking for a title fight?? Then he scoots out of a mandatory to fight the guy that beat a shot Tyson. Then he avoids Rahman three times, only to come out of retirement to demand his title shot back against Maskaev. Hmmm I wonder if Peter held the title if he would have demanded that fight?? His actions are more fraudelent than Ruiz's holding.

 

Losses should be considered as well, especially if they're glaring like Ruiz's.

And I wouldn't say that Vitali lost to inferior opposition. Both Lewis and Byrd were greater fighters than he was, although it's arguable either way with Byrd.

 

Vitali got the ring title because the ring follows the who's the most popular HBO fighter.

 

Exactly the ring belt ain't real it's just the stupid magazine's opinion, since when can you become champ by getting your ass handed to you by the man and The Ring don't mean **** anyway now that ODLH owns it they will probalby rank him #1P4P all time:rofl

 

Sensible, balanced, excellent post.

 

My bad. I didn't realize he had won a title. I have nothing against V Klitschko. He showed tremendous heart against Lenox Lewis. Who is the tougher fighter is open to debate. Which fighter has the more impressive resume is not. It's John Ruiz.