Who ranks Higher all time Mick McCaallum or James toney with poll

The answer is McCallum. He had far less "lows".

 

I give Toney the edge.

 

MM for me.

 

McCallum.

 

Honestly a very tough one to decide considering both McCallum and Toney have plenty of great wins. Might have to think hard on this one.

Mike McCallum's best wins:
Ayub Kalule
Milton McCrory
Julian Jackon
Donald Curry
Sumbu Kalambay
Herold Graham
Steve Collins
Michael Watson
Jeff Harding

James Toney's best wins:
Michael Nunn
Reggie Johnson
Mike McCallum
Iran Barkley
Tim Littles
Prince Charles Williams
Vassily Jirov
Evander Holyfield

 

toney. but that's not knocking mike.

 

Here's a post i made last year when a similar thread was made.



James Toney's Best wins

Evander Holyfield = Holyfield was old and past his best but i still give Toney credit for being only the 2nd man to stop Holyfield, which is some feat considering Bowe was the only other man to do it and that was against a Holyfield with Hepatitis who was clearly way under par.

Mike McCallum x2 = I don't really count their 3rd fight but the first two fights were against good versions of McCallum even if he was in his mid 30s.

Michael Nunn = Stand out win Nunn was P4P number 3 and 36-0 i don't believe McCallum has any win over a top 10 P4P fighter which is another good argument in favour of Toney.

Prince Charles Williams = Alot more known for his Light Heavyweight feats than Super Middleweight and a bit past his best, but still a solid win for Toney against a former Light Heavyweight champion who made 8 title defences.

Tim Littles = Another solid win for Toney against an undefeated Littles who had a good Amateur background and solid wins as a pro against John Scully & Frankie Liles who went on to have a nice little run as Super Middleweight.

Iran Barkley = A bit past his prime but was coming off good wins vs Hearns, Van Horn, a very solid win for Toney in his best performance of his career.

Reggie Johnson = Another very good win for Toney against a very talented Johnson who won world titles in 2 different weightclasses.

Vassiliy Jirov = One of Toney's best wins against the best Cruiserweight in the world at that time 33-0 with a very good Amateur background also top 5 best Cruiserweight fight of all time.

Overall Toney won titles at Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Cruiserweight, and won 12 world title fights.

Pros for Toney

Had more success than McCallum in 4 different weightclasses compared to 3 for McCallum.

Actually beat McCallum in a H2H match up leading 2-0-1

Has the only win vs a top 10 P4P fighter in Michael Nunn.

Mike McCallum's Best wins

Ayub Kalue = A solid win for McCallum against a former Jr Middleweight champion despite Kalule coming off a loss to Moore he did go on to beat Kalambay after the McCallum loss.

Julian Jackson = A good win against arguably the hardest hitting Jr Middleweight of all time, Jackson was a bit green at this stage but still a very impressive early stoppage for McCallum.

Milton McCrory = A solid win against the former Welterweight champion McCrory wasn't really known for his feats at Jr Middleweight but still a solid win overall.

Donald Curry = The same as McCrory a former Welterweight champion who is more known for his feats at Welterweight than Jr Middleweight, but Curry was a bigger name than McCrory plus Curry did actually win a world title at Jr Middleweight. So i'll rate this as a good win even if Curry was a bit past his best and fighting at a weightclass that wasn't his most notable one.

Herol Graham = A good win over a very tricky/talented opponent never won a world title but still showed he was world class.

Michael Watson = Another good win against a talented British fighter who never won a world title, but Watson showed he was world class in beating Benn and in 2 meetings vs Eubank.

Sumbu Kalambay = 1-1 with Kalmbay in their 1st meeting McCallum got schooled but managed to win a close decision in the rematch, i think Kalambay was a bit past his best at this point when they fought the 2nd time and had suffered the 1 round loss to Nunn. But i still rate it as a good win for McCallum against one of the better former Middleweight champions of the last 40 years or so.

Steve Collins = Collins was green at this point only having 17 professional fights and would certainly improve after this fight, but still a solid win against a fighter that would go on to have very good success beating Benn, Eubank.

Jeff Harding = A very solid win for McCallum at almost 40 years old winning a world title in his 3rd weightclass beating the very tough rugged Australian.

Overall McCallum won 3 world titles in 3 different weightclass and won 15 world title fights.

Pros for Mike McCallum

Was more consistent than Toney and didn't have poor performances against much lesser opposition like Thadzi, Tiberi.

Won more world title fights than Toney did.

 

It's close but I prefer the consistency of McCallum over Toney. One other remarkable thing about McCallum was his willingness to fight on the road in hostile territory. McCallum went to London to defend against Watson, Boston to defend against the popular ascending irishman Collins, London again for Graham, Italy for Kalambay who fought most of his fights there and Jackson and Jones Jr in Florida where they were based out of. He didn't worry about being robbed by bias judges or booed by histle crowds. He just won fights.

Toney is great as well but he had so many poor performances due to not preparing properly. McCallum was always ready to go even into his 40's.

 

Very good post. One thing that stands out about McCallum's vest wins is most if those guys were ascending fighters. Watson, Collins, Graham and Kalambay were all hungry/scary challengers and he beat them all in front of their supporters. Most champions do everything they can to fight in front of crowds that support them. McCallum like Uysk does the opposite and beat guys in there backyard.

 

I think that is a fair summary. Who do you rate higher?

 

I prefer McCallum. Those Toney fights were still close even tho McCallum was past his peak & out of his best weight class.

 

I think Toney but it's neck and neck. McCallum's wins are possibly slightly better, and he was more consistent, but Toney lasted for so long, and did so well as he went up in weight that I'm gonna give him the edge.

McCallum was the better fighter though, imo.

 

How can you say Mc Callum is the better fighter when Toney beat him?

 

Because Toney was the naturally bigger man and closer to his peak. It's a really simple equation.