Who ranks higher as an ATG, hitman Hearns or Roy Jones jr?

Hearns.

 

for me he looked a lot slower in both food and handspeed and he lacked the intensity and the desire from the Hearns fight

 

Roy Jones

 

Even if you want to say Hagler was in decline, SRL was coming in after a THREE YEAR layoff AND moving up in weight. Hagler was what, 32? Hardly an old man. The draw with Antefuermo was no robbery. At what point in his career does that SRL beat Monzon? RJJ? Hopkins? Robinson?

Hagler's record simply doesn't bear up to the adulation he's given, and there's most definitely nothing that would indicate he could hang with a badass young RJJ. I think Monzon out-toughs him, Nard outboxes him, RJJ does whatever the **** he wants because he's just that awesome at MW. Hagler is just overrated, simple as that.

 

I'm just saying that Hagler form the SRL fight was not the best Hagler. Hagler from the Hearns fight would have given any of these fighters plenty of problems. And come on Hop best wins at MW were also against WWs.

 

RJJ did look amazing demolishing a forty-year-old policeman when Roy was in his prime.

Richard Frazier (Tricky Ricky) New York City's most talented boxing police officer. He was a cop by day and boxer by night. He won two New York Golden Gloves Championships. Frazier won both the 1985 165lb Novice Championship and five years later in 1990 Frazier won the 178lb Open Championship. In 1985 Frazier defeated Keith Providence of Gleason's Gym in the finals to win the Championship and in 1990 Frazier defeated future Light heavyweight contender Lou Del Valle of the Morris Park Boys Club in the finals to win the Championship. Amature record was 124-5 As a Pro, he fisrt beat Anthony Hembrick in Atlantic City then 6 months later scored a 6 round knock out in the rematch at Madison Square Garden. On Jan 9,1999 he fought for the IBF and WBC 175lb title against Roy Jones Jr. and was stopped in the 2nd round at the age of 40.

 

You might be surprised how many fighters hold down jobs. In boxing, it's generally only the top few % who can afford to box full time, guys with serious backing. That's just one of the many problems with this sport, only a few guys at the top making all the money. Frazier's resume above is serious, NY golden gloves is the top amateur tournament, Del Valle and Hembrick were both quality fighters as well.

 

Shut up, Bernie.

 

What's the matter puta, conversation getting too deep for a shermhead?

 

I always thought Roy Jones Jr. was a great fighter, but Tommy fought and beat the best and lost to 2 of the greatest ever, but gave great fights. Hearns is more iconic and beat better fighters. I always favor Tommy, but I think it is obvious that Hearns fought better guys and will be remembered more.

 

I think he's just as known for nearly murdering Cuevas and Duran inside two rounds, being one of the greatest 154-pounders we've ever had, decisioning Wilfred Benitez, taking Virgil Hill's 0, picking up major world titles from welterweight to light heavyweight and battering Martin Lawrence's face beyond recognition. Do you know how good Martin Lawrence's amateur pedigree is, J.R.? DO YOU?!! c

 

Puta? You're a bald white guy. Please stop doing this to yourself. I'm beginning to feel bad for you.

 

It's gotta be hearns.

 

Wow, "Hagler's record simply doesn't bear up to the adulation he's given".....

And RJJ's does!?!?!?

To the TS, this is a close one and there's certainly no clear answer either way. Jones was obviously more dominant, but he certainly never met anywhere close to the calibre of opposition that Hearns did.

Personally, I have RJJ maybe a couple of places higher.

 

1.Weight-Jumping Feats

For me, a welterweight winning the lightheavyweight title from a guy like Virgil Hill easily beats a middleweight winning the heavyweight title from a guy like John Ruiz. Ruiz wasn't fit to carry a prime Hill's jockstrap.

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(legit world titles at 5 weights) over Jones (legit world titles at 4 weights).


2.Win Resume

Hearns: Cuevas (147), Benitez (154), Duran (154), Andries (175), Hill (175), Nate Miller (190)

Jones: Hopkins (160), Toney (smw), Griffin (175), Tarver (175), Ruiz (hw), Hill (177)

This could really be condensed to which are better between Benitez/Duran/Cuevas and Hopkins/Toney/Tarver. It's very, very close indeed, could be argued either way. I feel

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as I think he may have better depth, when you consider the names not listed above (Sugarboy Malinga, Thomas Tate, Reggie Johnson, Clinton Woods as opposed to Doug DeWitt, Juan Domingo Roldan, James Kinchen).


3.Dominance

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. Hearns was an incredibly dominant welterweight until he met SRL, was similarly dominant at 154 but didn't stay there all that long, and thereafter his career was peppered with losses as he moved up in weight, to Hagler and Barkley amongst others as time went on. Jones was untouchable from 1993-2004, reaching 49-1 from 50 fights with the only loss being a DQ. Of course the argument would be that Jones never fought anyone as good as SRL or Hagler, but even across the board Jones was more dominant as he wasn't getting wobbled and drawn into dogfights by the likes of Roldan and Kinchen, between 1997 and 2003 he completely dazzled and blew away guys of their calibre (Woods, Griffin, Hill etc).


4.Ability

This one could really be argued either way. Hearns was the superior technical outboxer, Jones looked more effective overall and more difficult to beat. Most people will go with Jones in this category because his chin was never cracked in his prime the way that Hearns's was by Leonard and Hagler. Again though, the argument would be that Jones may have had his chin cracked the exact same way if he'd ever fought guys as good as Leonard and Hagler. However, the clincher for me is that Hearns got stopped in 3 rounds by Iran Barkley at the age of 30. I cannot under any circumstances see a 30 year old Jones even getting troubled by a guy like Barkley, not in a million years.

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Conclusion: By a slight margin, I say

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, but it's extremely close, I wouldn't argue against anyone who favoured Hearns. :bbb